Re: [Maria-developers] License issues

2011-12-29 Thread Henrik Ingo
I'm assuming you left out the list in accident and won't mind that I quote you a little: On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Sergei Golubchik wrote: > On Dec 29, Henrik Ingo wrote: >> (I'm pretty sure readline developers didn't quite realize what they >> were d

Re: [Maria-developers] License issues

2011-12-29 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Sergei Golubchik wrote: > I think we're not the only GPLv2 project out there. And as unfortunate > as it is, we cannot change it. > Some distributions decided to maintain readline v5 package, in parallel > to the latest readline. This seems to be the most reasonab

Re: [Maria-developers] Using tilde in the version for debs?

2011-02-24 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > Henrik Ingo writes: > >> Hi Kristian > > Hi Henrik, nice to hear from you again! I miss you too :-) It's nice to be active again, in fact I enjoy what I'm doing now, it is much more hands on with the code th

[Maria-developers] Using tilde in the version for debs?

2011-02-20 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Kristian I've been a bit invisible for a few months now, as I had to spend time on job interviews, family and luckily also some coding! By March life is turning back to normal with a new job and everything. As you know by now, I have in the past months fulfilled my desire to spend some hands o

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-docs] MariaDB Binary Log File Corruption

2011-02-20 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Daniel On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Daniel Bartholomew wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I came across this question in the Knowledgebase: > > http://kb.askmonty.org/v/binary-log-file-corruption-happens-each-day > > The poster was able to solve the problem by increasing the slave > max_allowed

Re: [Maria-developers] Why is ExtractValue() not allowed for virtual columns?

2010-10-23 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Philip Stoev wrote: > Henrik, > > You are right, this function seems as deterministic as the rest of the > string functions, that is, it still depends on the default character set and > such. > > I think the reason it is not allowed is that when this patch was > c

[Maria-developers] Why is ExtractValue() not allowed for virtual columns?

2010-10-21 Thread Henrik Ingo
but can do this: CREATE TABLE sbtest ( id INTEGER UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT, doc TEXT, username varchar(10) as (ExtractValue(doc, '/user/username')) virtual, PRIMARY KEY (id) ) (Just for fun, imagine "doc" containing an xml document like 1 hingo Henrik Ingo

Re: [Maria-developers] Discussion on more unified development of MySQL(MariaDB) code base (Re: Live Schema Changes)

2010-10-15 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Henrik Ingo wrote: > We agreed with Kristian that I will host this and I probably have more > bandwidth anyway... > > ...so the invitation is now set for the Saturday evening unconference ... > If you won't be in Istanbul but are interested in

[Maria-developers] Discussion on more unified development of MySQL(MariaDB) code base (Re: Live Schema Changes)

2010-10-05 Thread Henrik Ingo
want to encourage everyone to participate in >> this who might be able to. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:11 PM, MARK CALLAGHAN wrote: > I agree with you about that being the proper way to advance the MySQL > family and that the MariaDB project has been open and inclusive > towards external d

Re: [Maria-developers] Live Schema Changes

2010-10-04 Thread Henrik Ingo
This is something I'm always interested in. It seems most of us understand where we need to go, but we don't know yet how to get there... How do we convince Mark/Mark's boss that this is the best way to develop MySQL codebase also from Facebook's point of view? (long term we can make much bigger ad

Re: [Maria-developers] [Maria-discuss] Per-db binlogging

2010-09-15 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:02 AM, MARK CALLAGHAN wrote: > +maria-discuss as they are working in replication too To be exact, maria-developers@ is the counterpart to intern...@mysql, although everyone should be reading maria-discuss@ too. I'm now leaving both in CC. > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:52

[Maria-developers] Why delete stuff from MWL#39???

2010-09-15 Thread Henrik Ingo
Regarding http://askmonty.org/worklog/Client-RawIdeaBin/?tid=39 ...user "Guest" in June has deleted all the dependencies on a group of mysqlbinlog tasks. Why? MWL#39 existed to act as an entry point to some interrelated mysqlbinlog tasks. Now there is no simple way for me to look the up all at onc

[Maria-developers] IRC log of hingo and cafuego about the deb packages still named "mysql"

2010-05-31 Thread Henrik Ingo
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: IRC log of hingo and cafuego about the deb packages still named "mysql" Date: Friday 28 May 2010 From: Henrik Ingo To: maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Archiving this here for later reference. The background is that curre

Re: [Maria-developers] Segmented Key Cache - About section

2010-05-19 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Igor Babaev wrote: > Henrik Ingo wrote: >> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Igor Babaev wrote: >>> 1. the author of the original patch >>> 2. our community members (not only PeterZ!) >>> 3. our developers >>> >&

Re: [Maria-developers] Segmented Key Cache - About section

2010-05-18 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Igor Babaev wrote: > 1. the author of the original patch > 2. our community members (not only PeterZ!) > 3. our developers > > what term they prefer 'Segmented Key Cache' or 'Partitioned Key Cache'. > > To be quite honest I also should mention that MichaelR from Or

Re: [Maria-developers] Segmented Key Cache - Syntax section

2010-05-14 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Henrik Ingo wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Daniel Bartholomew > wrote: >> == Segmented Key Cache Syntax == >> >> New global variable: key_cache_partitions, it sets the number of >> segments in a key cache. Valid valu

Re: [Maria-developers] Segmented Key Cache - Syntax section

2010-05-14 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Daniel Bartholomew wrote: > == Segmented Key Cache Syntax == > > New global variable: key_cache_partitions, it sets the number of > segments in a key cache. Valid values for this variable are whole Since we changed the name of this feature to key_cache_partitions

Re: [Maria-developers] per-partition attributes in the CREATE TABLE

2010-05-12 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:11 PM, kentoku wrote: > Additionally, > for supporting different engines in different partitions, > table options should better to be added engine names like > global/session parameters for avoiding conflicting option names. > > - example start - > > If you create

Re: [Maria-developers] per-partition attributes in the CREATE TABLE

2010-05-11 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Sergei Golubchik wrote: > Hi, > > we've talked about engine attributes in the CREATE TABLE, > and that one should be able to specify them per partition as well. > > Now, thinking about it, I'm not quite sure what the semantics shuld be. > > What is your use case ?

Re: [Maria-developers] Summary of discussion about MariaDB future and release plans

2010-05-11 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Peter Zaitsev wrote: > Inventing  your own MariaDB 5.2 is very confusing, seriously > > Are fixes in MySQL 5.1.47 in MariaDB 5.2.0  ?   Requirement to go and > check the docs all the time is inconvenient. What you say here is a very good use case to check prop

Re: [Maria-developers] Windows installer

2010-05-10 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Bo Thorsen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have been looking at getting our binary windows distribution back on > track. One of the options would be to create the zip file like we did > earlier. > > Another way would be to create a proper windows installer. For this,

Re: [Maria-developers] Summary of discussion about MariaDB future and release plans

2010-05-05 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Kristian Thanks for a good summary. I think my main, high-level takeaways were: I wasn't aware that even our optimizer work can be controlled by variables. I get for new features, but there's also refactoring going into 5.3. I guess we cannot guarantee 100% identical behavior with MySQL? One

Re: [Maria-developers] Ideas for improving MariaDB/MySQL replication

2010-05-01 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Kristian I don't know why I'm reading this on a Sunday morning, but just a comment without thinking much: On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > I was thinking about this idea of releasing row locks early. Specifically > about two scenarios: 1) releasing row locks early b

Re: [Maria-developers] Ideas for improving MariaDB/MySQL replication

2010-03-23 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:40 AM, wrote: >> At least the application of replicated transactions certainly should >> not be part of each storage engine. From the engine point of view, >> applying a set of replicated transactions should be "just another >> transaction". For the engine it should not

Re: [Maria-developers] Ideas for improving MariaDB/MySQL replication

2010-03-23 Thread Henrik Ingo
Meta discussion first, replication discussion below :-) On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Alex Yurchenko wrote: >> Uh, I'm not sure I can accept this proposition. At least it seems >> contradictory to MariaDB's vision of being a practical, user and >> customer driven, database. > > I do understand

Re: [Maria-developers] Ideas for improving MariaDB/MySQL replication

2010-03-22 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Alex Yurchenko wrote: > Notice however possible many-to-1 relation between redundancy plugins and > RS and therefore - global transaction ID. So I'd suggest that a unit other > than redundancy plugin would maintain this mapping. Alternatively, a redundancy plugin

Re: [Maria-developers] Ideas for improving MariaDB/MySQL replication

2010-03-20 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Alex Yurchenko wrote: > The problem is that you cannot really design and program by use cases, > unorthodox as it may sound. You cannot throw an arbitrary bunch of use > cases as input and get code as output (that is in a finite time and of > finite quality). Wheth

Re: [Maria-developers] Ideas for improving MariaDB/MySQL replication

2010-03-17 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Alex Yurchenko wrote: > I think "a cluster that outwards presents a consistent transactional view, > yet internally does not have a total ordering on transactions" is an > internally contradictory concept. Suppose node1 committed T1, but not T2 > yet, and node2 com

Re: [Maria-developers] WL enhancements

2010-03-15 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Sergei Golubchik wrote: >  ability to remove hours >    Somebody mentioned that a number of hours could be >    increased by mistake, and there should be a way to decrease >    is back. I'm not convinced it's a good idea, though. Then again, it should also not be e

Re: [Maria-developers] WL enhancements

2010-03-15 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Sergei Golubchik wrote: > Feel free to suggest more or "get rid of WL, use X instead", Just to update you on discussion we've had last August (I think). Our, or at least my, current thinking is that worklog is currently used as a "default" option since it is the t

Re: [Maria-developers] We need instructions for manually installing .deb

2010-02-09 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > We really need to put some instructions prominently on the download page for > installing the .debs. Thanks Kristian and Daniel for doing this! http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/Manual:Installation#Debian_.deb_Files > Al

Re: [Maria-developers] Why 5.1.39 is not on launchpad?

2009-11-30 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Sergey Petrunya wrote: > Hi! > > I noticed that although 5.1.39 release is done and published, it's not on > launchpad: when one goes to https://launchpad.net/maria/, one > > - sees 5.1.38 binaries offered for download on the right of the page > - "Series and miles

[Maria-developers] Bugs are not being closed in lp:maria

2009-11-18 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi I took a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/maria/+bugs? ...all bugs in MariaDB. For instance the third one https://bugs.launchpad.net/maria/+bug/417751 has been fixed and closed a long time ago. The status has in fact been updated properly, but this is only effective as the bug appears in t

[Maria-developers] Using 5.1 tag on launchpad bugs

2009-11-16 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi all I've started using the tag "5.1" for launchpad bugs that should be fixed before 5.1 final release. This is so that one can easily get an overview of release activity with this list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maria/+bugs?field.tag=5.1 I'm aware that there is also a "Nominate for release"

[Maria-developers] Launchpad bugs don't have dependencies?

2009-11-12 Thread Henrik Ingo
I think I have even asked this before, but since I still don't believe it's true: Is there no way that one Launchpad bug can depend on another bug? henrik -- email: henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi tel: +358-40-5697354 www: www.avoinelama.fi/~hingo book: www.openlife.cc __

Re: [Maria-developers] request for comment: OQGRAPH in 5.1 packages

2009-11-02 Thread Henrik Ingo
Noting also Hakan's and Alex' comments... On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Arjen Lentz wrote: > We'd like to include the plugin for OQGRAPH engine in the 5.1 packages we're > just about to build. > It would not be pulled in like the xtradb/pbxt engines, but be compiled > separately and not loade

Re: [Maria-developers] Windows installer, part 2

2009-10-19 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Sergey Petrunya wrote: > Hi! > > Thanks everyone for input on the input so far! I believe I've collected it > all and put into the WL entry: > http://askmonty.org/worklog/Server-RawIdeaBin/?tid=55 > > * If there is something missing there, please bring that argume

[Maria-developers] Blog about MariaDB progress

2009-10-15 Thread Henrik Ingo
So now would probably be a good time to blog something about our MariaDB release. As agreed, I will blog something about how the release came to be, Monty's will be more announcement like. Is the below somewhat close to what really happened? **

Re: [Maria-developers] bzr commit into MariaDB 5.1, with Maria 1.5:maria branch (knielsen:2763)

2009-10-08 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Arjen Lentz wrote: >> Henrik> Sorry to be a nitpick, but since this touches source code and not >> just >> Henrik> build stuff... > > Does that even matter, it's part of the same? > > I actually got build-related scripts out of Sun/MySQL under GPL that were > kept i

Re: [Maria-developers] bzr commit into MariaDB 5.1, with Maria 1.5:maria branch (knielsen:2763)

2009-10-07 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:16 PM, wrote: > #At lp:maria > >  2763 kniel...@knielsen-hq.org  2009-10-07 [merge] >      Merge Arjen's fix for new slow log functionality. >      modified: >        sql/mysqld.cc Sorry to be a nitpick, but since this touches source code and not just build stuff... Arj

[Maria-developers] Notes from todays Maria call

2009-09-29 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Since I for once took good notes (less stressed today :-) I'm sharing them here. Sergey, maybe you can reuse some of this to update todo page. Maria - win and valgrind problems - race conditions only seen on slow machines - problem likely in the test, not the server - this is not blocking

Re: [Maria-developers] Information for release notes

2009-09-25 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > Here is a rough changelog written from reading through bzr history. > > I took a dump of every commit in MariaDB that is not in MySQL 5.1.38, and > wrote this summary of the changes. > > I don't have sufficient knowledge to

Re: [Maria-developers] negative TIME in SHOW FULL PROCESSLIST and information_schema.processlist

2009-09-22 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > Henrik Ingo writes: > >> Where else would @@TIMESTAMP be modified? Can a user do that from SQL? > > Yes (or @TIMESTAMP at least).. > >    mysql> set TIMESTAMP=100; >    Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00

Re: [Maria-developers] negative TIME in SHOW FULL PROCESSLIST and information_schema.processlist

2009-09-21 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > Henrik Ingo writes: > >> I'm the wrong person to answer, but seems to me we should at this Just wanted to leave that quote :-) I re-read your original text and offer some other non-expert thoughts... Where else wou

Re: [Maria-developers] negative TIME in SHOW FULL PROCESSLIST and information_schema.processlist

2009-09-19 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > There is a replication FAQ, which says this: > >    http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/replication-faq.html > >    16.3.4.3:  How do I know how late a slave is compared to the master? > >    You can read the Seconds_Behind_Master colum

[Maria-developers] Rewrite of the free documentation to make it about MariaDB, not MySQL

2009-09-16 Thread Henrik Ingo
Daniel I glanced through some of the commits today and noticed Kristian committing the new version of MySQL 5.1.38 documentation (man pages and other free docs). The docs seem to include lots of references to where you can download MySQL rpm's, where you can buy MySQL support, Suns support lifecy

[Maria-developers] Log_of_MariaDB_Contributions

2009-09-14 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi all Maria Developers I promised to do this some weeks ago: http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/Log_of_MariaDB_Contributions We need to include in our routines that any time a Maria Captain pushes something to the main trunk that was not 100% developed by Monty Program employees (and hopefully

Re: [Maria-developers] Inventory of 3rd party GPL code in MariaDB (other than Sun)

2009-09-13 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Henrik Ingo wrote: > Hi > > Related to the work I'm doing with the EU, it seems wise to conduct a > review of what 3rd party code is used in MySQL/MariaDB and under what > license. In other words I need to know: Things in MySQL not owned by >

[Maria-developers] Inventory of 3rd party GPL code in MariaDB (other than Sun)

2009-09-13 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Related to the work I'm doing with the EU, it seems wise to conduct a review of what 3rd party code is used in MySQL/MariaDB and under what license. In other words I need to know: Things in MySQL not owned by Sun. I so far come to think of 2 modules: Readline library used in MySQL client. GPLv

Re: [Maria-developers] Rev 2723: MySQL 5.1 -> MariaDB 5.1 merge in file:///home/psergey/bzr-new/mysql-5.1-maria-contd2/

2009-09-10 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Sergey Petrunya wrote: > --- a/README    2009-09-08 16:04:58 + > +++ b/README    2009-09-09 21:06:57 + Hi At some point after your merge activities stabilize, could someone post the README here so I can review it by email? (I'm a manager, have not got bz

Re: [Maria-developers] Documentation for new features in MariaDB

2009-09-06 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Daniel Bartholomew wrote: > Henrik> For now, we should aim at documenting the new features we > Henrik> produce, both as release notes and as an incomplete reference > Henrik> manual (complete when read as an addon to MySQL manual). > > To facilitate this I have cre

Re: [Maria-developers] MariaDB and the SCA

2009-09-03 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Giuseppe I'm cross-posting to maria-discuss since this is now a non-technical discussion. Please remove maria-developers when replying. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Giuseppe Maxia wrote: > Why it's perfectly OK that MariaDB gets MySQL bugfixes for free and > instead it's a rip off if MySQL

Re: [Maria-developers] MariaDB and the SCA

2009-09-03 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Arjen Lentz wrote: >>> What Monty suggested was that it would work for Sun if we submit specific >>> patches under a BSD-new license. >>> >>> I realise that the http://tinyurl.com/q2ulgt patch request is now so old >>> that >>> it may be of no interest to you any lon

Re: [Maria-developers] MariaDB and the SCA

2009-09-03 Thread Henrik Ingo
ould be > able to make this work on a low-overhead technician-to-technician level. Kristian, Thanks for picking this up. I just wanted to confirm this is true and we are happy to cooperate. henrik -- Henrik Ingo Project Manager and COO, Monty Program Ab hi...@askmonty.org, skype

Re: [Maria-developers] MariaDB versioning

2009-08-31 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi Peter... On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Peter Laursen wrote: > I have a concern that I will ask you all to consider while there is > time.  I think I understand that after MariaDB 5.1 a 5.2 release is > planned.  I think it should not be versioned like that.  Problem is that > there is a MySQ

[Maria-developers] MariaDB 5.1 release coordinator

2009-08-27 Thread Henrik Ingo
Hi all Just finished a writeup of our meeting last week, on http://openlife.cc/blogs/2009/august/mariadb-release-plan-and-other-news-mp-company-meeting (Btw, I've also uploaded slides to the MP internal wiki and updated the ProjectHandbook based on our discussion.) Then comes the final thing on m

Re: [Maria-developers] Documentation for new features in MariaDB

2009-08-26 Thread Henrik Ingo
Note: I strive to post a summary of MariaDB things discussed at MP company meeting last week. Knowing more about the vision for the askmonty.org knowledgebase, I thought picking up this thread is appropriate: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Henrik Ingo wrote: > Just to make it clear: Over t

Re: [Maria-developers] Documentation for new features in MariaDB

2009-08-16 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > Henrik Ingo writes: > >> Now that I think about it, maybe this part of the documentation effort >> could for the time being be done as a diff against the MySQL manual. >> (Which is DocBook?) > > Have you c

Re: [Maria-developers] Documentation for new features in MariaDB

2009-08-13 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Bryan Alsdorf wrote: > We aren't creating a system for a plain manual, we are creating a knowledge > base so the community can help us generate content and ask questions. This > KB can be used for our manual as well. If we ever want a more formal manual, > we can a

Re: [Maria-developers] Documentation for new features in MariaDB

2009-08-13 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Kristian Nielsen wrote: > And actually, I see no reason for now to put documentation in a separate > repository (and several reasons not to). So I suggest to just write new > documentation in Docs/mariadb.txt. > > I'm happy to try Creole as Daniel suggested. Though

Re: [Maria-developers] Buildbot and compiler warnings

2009-08-11 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Sergei Golubchik wrote: >> Would be great to get us to compile without any warnings. The Drizzle >> people already compile with -pedantic -Werror, so we are trailing >> behind there! > > Just to make a statement (and not to start a flame war:) - > I strongly believe

Re: [Maria-developers] Bug tracker for MariaDB

2009-07-18 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Bryan Alsdorf wrote: > Eventum isn't as widely used as Bugzilla or Trac but it does have many > users. It also is quite popular in the MySQL community (Percona and > OpenQuery use it for support). This is a good point. You could argue it is popular/widely used in i

Re: [Maria-developers] Bug tracker for MariaDB

2009-07-16 Thread Henrik Ingo
Just to ask a stupid question first: It seems to me at the moment we *are* using bugs.launchpad.net/maria as the only bugtracker, aren't we? >> "Vadim" == Vadim Tkachenko writes: > Vadim> I think it is critically important to have bugtracker that can be > intergrade > Vadim> with third-part