Re: [mailop] SPF strict / DMARC interaction / "big" provider behavior...

2020-06-18 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 17.06.2020 o godz. 15:31:40 John Levine via mailop pisze: > > For most of us, the only time we take "-all" seriously is if it's the > only thing in the SPF record, to state that a domain sends no mail at > all. Other than that, treat it the same as ~all or ?all because as > you have found a

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Attention Michael Wise - need your assistance

2020-06-18 Thread Abuse via mailop
Hi Michael, It is clear, but what must we do when the front door is closed too? I used the Support Funnel but didn't get any responses, not even the first response from the robot giving me the SRX#. It is not a spam classification issue, I have checked the postfix logs and found no email coming

[mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Andreas Bueggeln - NOC - Profihost AG via mailop
Hello, we host hundreds of dedicated servers on VMs and our customers send thousands of mail to t-online.de mailboxes every day. a new customer uses an ip, which has been offline for months or even years wanted to send mails to t-online.de boxes. the usual blacklisting happened, but now the help

Re: [mailop] SPF strict / DMARC interaction / "big" provider behavior...

2020-06-18 Thread Alessandro Vesely via mailop
On Wed 17/Jun/2020 21:15:57 +0200 vom513 via mailop wrote: I run my own personal mail server, Linux, usual open source bits… One of my many layers/checks for inbound is SPF. Insofar as I reject at the “front door” (SMTP connection) if SPF fails (example is a domain using “-all”). I would imag

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Attention Michael Wise - need your assistance

2020-06-18 Thread Stefano Bagnara via mailop
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 13:00, Abuse via mailop wrote: > It is clear, but what must we do when the front door is closed too? > I used the Support Funnel but didn't get any responses, not even the first > response from the robot giving me the SRX#. We use an outlook.com/hotmail.com email address t

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Tobias Herkula via mailop
Allow your customers to set an additional PTR. Kind regards, / Tobias Herkula Manager Detection Anti Spam Cyren (Berlin) From: mailop on behalf of Andreas Bueggeln - NOC - Profihost AG via mailop Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:57 To: mailop@mailop.o

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Benoît Panizzon via mailop
> Allow your customers to set an additional PTR. AFAIK only one PTR per RR is allowed, even if most DNS allow to set multiple ones. -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen -Benoît Panizzon- @ HomeOffice und normal erreichbar -- I m p r o W a r e A G-Leiter Commerce Kunden ___

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn via mailop
Hai! Allow your customers to set an additional PTR. AFAIK only one PTR per RR is allowed, even if most DNS allow to set multiple ones. Besides that you dont want to create ddos vectors dont you? I request thousands of pointers back... Amplification plus plus. Bye, Raymond. _

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Andrew C Aitchison via mailop
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Andreas Bueggeln - NOC - Profihost AG via mailop wrote: Hello, we host hundreds of dedicated servers on VMs and our customers send thousands of mail to t-online.de mailboxes every day. a new customer uses an ip, which has been offline for months or even years wanted to sen

Re: [mailop] [EXTERNAL] Re: Attention Michael Wise - need your assistance

2020-06-18 Thread Kevin A. McGrail via mailop
On 6/18/2020 7:11 AM, Stefano Bagnara via mailop wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 13:00, Abuse via mailop wrote: >> It is clear, but what must we do when the front door is closed too? >> I used the Support Funnel but didn't get any responses, not even the first >> response from the robot giving m

Re: [mailop] Sendgrid and phishing

2020-06-18 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2020-06-17 11:31 p.m., Benoît Panizzon via mailop wrote: Hi Anybody else seeing increase phishing through sendgrid?  They look fairly convincing. I suspect the IP Ranges of Sendgrid are bound for a global blacklisting if they keep ignoring abusive behaviour of their customers. We have

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2020-06-18 4:37 a.m., Benoît Panizzon via mailop wrote: Allow your customers to set an additional PTR. AFAIK only one PTR per RR is allowed, even if most DNS allow to set multiple ones. And when you say 'only one PTR per RR' is "allowed", could you explain that further? "allowed" by whom

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2020-06-18 3:57 a.m., Andreas Bueggeln - NOC - Profihost AG via mailop wrote: - the ptr to the server ip hast to resolve to the customer domain and vice versa But they need to do a more sophisticated PTR <<>> A record matching, to handle multiple PTR records.. - the mails are not allowed

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 18.06.2020 o godz. 08:55:35 Michael Peddemors via mailop pisze: > > >- the web pages of the domain must have an correct imprint > > This is one that people forget about, and I agree with.. And I wish > I could find the old MAAWG recommendations on this to quote, but if > you have a PTR recor

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Al Iverson via mailop
There's been some confusion around this requirement from T-Online for a while now, and it seems to be unevenly enforced. And perhaps not even clearly defined. Couldn't hurt if you want to reach out to t...@rx.t-online.de and ask for clarification. Like I did about their filtering over all. I don't

Re: [mailop] Sendgrid and phishing

2020-06-18 Thread Jay Hennigan via mailop
On 6/18/20 07:52, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: From: "Netflix" How is that not already a check on egress after a couple of months.. Do you REALLY think you are going to have a customer who named themselves that using your service? Inquiring minds want to know... Follow the money.

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
On 2020-06-18 9:43 a.m., Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: Dnia 18.06.2020 o godz. 08:55:35 Michael Peddemors via mailop pisze: - the web pages of the domain must have an correct imprint This is one that people forget about, and I agree with.. And I wish I could find the old MAAWG recommendati

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 18.06.2020 o godz. 09:57:58 Michael Peddemors via mailop pisze: > > WHO do I contact when I have problems related to a domain.. "postmaster@domain" is required by the RFC. -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: on

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Mark Milhollan via mailop
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020, Benoît Panizzon wrote: AFAIK only one PTR per RR is allowed, Incorrect. Whether others will process them in a way you want might be the larger concern. /mark ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Steven Champeon via mailop
on Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 09:57:58AM -0700, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: > WHO do I contact when I have problems related to a domain.. I've been creating patterns based on PTR records and associating classifications with them as an anti-spam and anti-abuse mechanism for almost eighteen years,

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Outlook "Modern Authentication"?

2020-06-18 Thread Jesse Thompson via mailop
On 6/17/20 11:15 PM, Dave Warren via mailop wrote: > A bit late, sorry. > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020, at 04:55, Ken O'Driscoll via mailop wrote: >> On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 13:35 -0600, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop wrote: >>> Does anyone know if there is any alternative to Outlook to access >>> >>> Exchang

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Renaud Allard via mailop
On 6/18/20 5:46 PM, Michael Peddemors via mailop wrote: On 2020-06-18 4:37 a.m., Benoît Panizzon via mailop wrote: Allow your customers to set an additional PTR. AFAIK only one PTR per RR is allowed, even if most DNS allow to set multiple ones. And when you say 'only one PTR per RR' is "a

Re: [mailop] t-online.de refuses to remove an ip from their blacklist

2020-06-18 Thread Benoît Panizzon via mailop
Hi Michael > And when you say 'only one PTR per RR' is "allowed", could you > explain that further? "allowed" by whom, or what policy. I recall we ran into some problems with systems that attempt to match A and PTR records and only considered the first PTR returned and that while looking if that

[mailop] Google routing mail to wrong IP?

2020-06-18 Thread Benoît Panizzon via mailop
Hi Team I was made aware that a Google IP is listed in one of the blacklists we operate. Strangely this hinted that Google was attempting to send an email to an IP address which is running a spamtrap/honeypot and for sure is not used as MX. Normally this is only being hit by bots scanning for op