[mailop] apple contact?

2018-09-11 Thread Dave Lugo
Hi, Any apple folks here that can contact me off-list? I have some questions as relates to oauth2 and a largish isp. Thanks, Dave -- Dave Lugo dl...@etherboy.comLC Unit #260 TINLC Have you hugged your firewall today? No spam,

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-09-07 15:09, Jay Hennigan wrote: On 9/7/18 12:32 PM, Michael Peddemors wrote: * Do you enforce 'tough' passwords? Most formula-based "tough" passwords are only "tough" for the legitimate user, not an attacker. Consider that with email protocols, this doesn't necessarily apply. Whi

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Mike Hammett
Most platforms have a password per account. Not a password per account-service combination. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dave Warren" To: mailop@mailop.org Sent: Tuesday, Septembe

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-09-11 11:00, Mike Hammett wrote: Most platforms have a password per account. Not a password per account-service combination. Yes, and? This isn't an overnight switch or even possible on all platforms, but it is a viable way to move forward. Most of the major consumer platforms (Googl

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:37 AM Dave Warren wrote: > On 2018-09-11 11:00, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Most platforms have a password per account. Not a password per > > account-service combination. > > Yes, and? > > This isn't an overnight switch or even possible on all platforms, but it > is a viab

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Ángel
On 2018-09-11 at 10:20 -0600, Dave Warren wrote: > In my experience attacks against webmail are quite uncommon, and also > can be mitigated with more flexible techniques than the SMTP protocol > offers. Maybe for bruteforcing attacks, but phishing pages that attempt to grab webmail credentials a

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:13 PM Ángel wrote: > On 2018-09-11 at 10:20 -0600, Dave Warren wrote: > > In my experience attacks against webmail are quite uncommon, and also > > can be mitigated with more flexible techniques than the SMTP protocol > > offers. > > Maybe for bruteforcing attacks, but p

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm not going to say anything that someone else hasn't already thought of. Obviously some more components need to be thought of Given Google's volume, maybe some new metrics to track are repeat offenders compared to the age of the WHOIS information as well as repeat offenders compared to a

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Eric Tykwinski
Actually, what are some small time providers using for OAUTH2 servers? I was thinking about checking out WSO2 locally for a dovecot/postfix database, but open to some other suggestions… Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300 > On Sep 11, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Brandon Long via ma

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
Unfortunately, I think OAUTH2 discovery/registration is still not ready, which of course means that you need all the clients to manually support you (I don't know if some have a manual oauth2 mode, but that would be pretty limited as well). If someone has an opinion on when that's likely to have a