Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-10-17 Thread Alexey Shpakovsky via mailop
On Sun, October 17, 2021 11:56, Simon Arlott via mailop wrote: > > ...sign-up can be by email > only and they should stop accepting sign-up on a website. That sounds indeed like a great idea and if I was maintaining a mailing list - I would definitely do this. However, I'm afraid that in reality

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-10-17 Thread Simon Arlott via mailop
On 17/10/2021 11:15, C A via mailop wrote: > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, Simon Arlott via mailop wrote: > >> confirmation process only if your email passes SPF/DKIM (or DMARC). If > > And if the sender doesn't use either? If there are no SPF or DMARC records published then you can let them continue to

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-10-17 Thread C A via mailop
On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, Simon Arlott via mailop wrote: > confirmation process only if your email passes SPF/DKIM (or DMARC). If And if the sender doesn't use either? -- Please don't Cc: me, use only the list for replies. [let's see what happens to the addresses...] ___

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-10-17 Thread Simon Arlott via mailop
On 20/01/2021 10:50, Stefano Bagnara via mailop wrote: > I'm looking for brainstorming and updated industry "standards" from people > handling outgoing SMTP services or ESP exporting APIs to "request > subscriptions" (confirmed opt-in). For mailing lists, it occurs to me that we should now be at t

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-01-23 Thread Ángel via mailop
On 2021-01-21 at 12:47 +0200, Mary via mailop wrote: > The victim of a subscription bombing attack can't do much, they > should be careful to shift through the garbage and find the real > threat (password changes, bank transfers, etc). > > Email admins can only do manual work, because I haven't se

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-01-21 Thread Mary via mailop
The victim of a subscription bombing attack can't do much, they should be careful to shift through the garbage and find the real threat (password changes, bank transfers, etc). Email admins can only do manual work, because I haven't seen anything automated that can help in these situations. M

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-01-21 Thread Simon Arlott via mailop
On 21/01/2021 09:15, Stefano Bagnara via mailop wrote: > Of course a DNS method to let domains opt-in to such a generic system would > be cool, but unless we think 100% of domains will adopt openid we'll still > have the subscription bombing issue around, for every form not using this > "new method

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-01-21 Thread Stefano Bagnara via mailop
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 20:05, Simon Arlott via mailop wrote: > On 20/01/2021 10:50, Stefano Bagnara via mailop wrote: > > I'm looking for brainstorming and updated industry "standards" from > people > > handling outgoing SMTP services or ESP exporting APIs to "request > > subscriptions" (confirme

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-01-20 Thread Simon Arlott via mailop
On 20/01/2021 10:50, Stefano Bagnara via mailop wrote: > I'm looking for brainstorming and updated industry "standards" from people > handling outgoing SMTP services or ESP exporting APIs to "request > subscriptions" (confirmed opt-in). How about a web-based process to confirm opt-in? Domains cou

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-01-20 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 20.01.2021 o godz. 14:00:47 Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop pisze: > > I'm not sure about what actual level of protection it provides. What do you > think? Sorry, I just realized that you were looking for a way of protection against mail-bombing caused by subscription confirmation emails, and not p

Re: [mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-01-20 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 20.01.2021 o godz. 11:50:30 Stefano Bagnara via mailop pisze: > > How do you deal with this issue? I'm not an ESP and actually don't face this issue, but some time ago I created my own version of CAPTCHA that I use in registration form on my server. There is no CAPTCHA on the form per se, b

[mailop] subscription bombing prevention best practices

2021-01-20 Thread Stefano Bagnara via mailop
Hi all, I'm looking for brainstorming and updated industry "standards" from people handling outgoing SMTP services or ESP exporting APIs to "request subscriptions" (confirmed opt-in). Not every website uses CAPTCHA and also webforms using CAPTCHA are being abused as even reCAPTCHA have been crack