Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Michael Rathbun via mailop
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 17:21:29 -0400, "Scott Q. via mailop" wrote: >I know it's not easy to handle hundreds of millions ( billions ) of >e-mail accounts but they should suffer the same consequences as >everyone else if they can't keep abusers in check.  The system here has an extensive list of loc

Re: [mailop] getting unblocked at outlook?

2024-07-11 Thread Michael Rathbun via mailop
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 16:42:55 -0400, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: >As far as I've ever been able to tell, S3150 means "Our Pseudo-AI thinks >you stink!" and the way out is to find the link on that page for senders >with problems, jump through the hoops, respond to any requests for >info, and ev

Re: [mailop] safe-mail.net

2024-07-11 Thread Mark Delany via mailop
On 11Jul24, Cody Millard via mailop apparently wrote: > What is "A RR" ? Sounds like they're talking about DNS A RRs (Address records). Circa 1986 the DNS community introduced the MX RR with a view to transitioning away from how a mail client would look up an address RR directly for a target dom

Re: [mailop] safe-mail.net

2024-07-11 Thread Jeff Pang via mailop
On 2024-07-12 10:55, Cody Millard via mailop wrote: What is "A RR" ? A resource record. -- Jeff Pang jeffp...@aol.com ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] safe-mail.net

2024-07-11 Thread Cody Millard via mailop
What is "A RR" ? On 7/11/2024 9:07 PM, Jeff Pang via mailop wrote: As a old email provider, safe-mail.net has even no MX records, but using A RR for incoming messages. do you know why they design this? for better anti-abuse control? Thanks. -- Cody Millard https://email.broker _

Re: [mailop] safe-mail.net

2024-07-11 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Jeff Pang via mailop said: >As a old email provider, safe-mail.net has even no MX records, but using >A RR for incoming messages. do you know why they design this? for better >anti-abuse control? Most likely they stumbled around decades ago setting up the DNS, found that worked

[mailop] safe-mail.net

2024-07-11 Thread Jeff Pang via mailop
As a old email provider, safe-mail.net has even no MX records, but using A RR for incoming messages. do you know why they design this? for better anti-abuse control? Thanks. -- Jeff Pang jeffp...@aol.com ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination ... and Gmail

2024-07-11 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
Once a company reaches critical mass, they've been allowed to think they can get away with the bare minimum, or, anything. That's how MS got hacked and ... did nothing about it until Congress stepped in and slapped them publicly. Now, "security" is all that Satya Nadella is talking about at MS ap

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination ... and Gmail

2024-07-11 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
Yes, as we all know.. threat teams and spam filtering teams spend a LOT of resources on those.. but when you see exactly the same samples year after year, you have to question their motivation.. (right now 'their' meaning specifically Gmail and o265) And 'rejecting' the messages IS possible, b

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Jeff Pang via mailop
On 2024-07-12 04:31, Slavko via mailop wrote: Dňa 11. júla 2024 19:20:23 UTC používateľ John Levine via mailop napísal: It appears that Ralph Seichter via mailop said: Personally, I don't factor the price of domains into the block/pass decisions, You should. There is a very strong correlat

Re: [mailop] Help with handling backscatter

2024-07-11 Thread Slavko via mailop
Dňa 11. júla 2024 20:01:17 UTC používateľ Jesse Hathaway via mailop napísal: >1. Why are the non-delivery notifications sent to > rather than to ? NDR have to be send to Return-Path of original message, thus it depends what was in its MAIL FROM. IMO including foreign (google) IP range open

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
What irks me is that Gmail's / MS365's IPs never seem to get blacklisted by Spamhaus for example. Spamcop actually had the courage to list MS365's because they also send tons of spam and ironically enough, everyone is upset at Spamcop because how dare they. Yeah, we should just let these guys get e

Re: [mailop] Help with handling backscatter

2024-07-11 Thread Michael Peddemors via mailop
There are SO many things wrong with this don't know even where to start.. Received: from shopify.com ([89.190.156.188]) Duplicate Return-Path X-Original-Message-ID: <668ef133.170a0220.9c6db.ca0esmtpin_added_bro...@mx.google.com> (google.com: domain abaimiddle.school.test-google-a.com configure

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Scott Q. via mailop said: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Surprisingly, most of the Spam that makes it through these days is >from Gmail. I'm not sure if they gave up completely on fighting the >spammers that sign-up but I'm always increasing the score assigned to >Gmail originating e

Re: [mailop] getting unblocked at outlook?

2024-07-11 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2024-07-11 at 15:52:53 UTC-0400 (Thu, 11 Jul 2024 15:52:53 -0400) Michael W. Lucas via mailop is rumored to have said: Just started getting these today. Looks like one of my colo neighbors behaved badly. No useful info at the suggested link, no contact given. Any suggestions on how to get my

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Slavko via mailop
Dňa 11. júla 2024 19:20:23 UTC používateľ John Levine via mailop napísal: >It appears that Ralph Seichter via mailop said: >>Personally, I don't factor the price of domains into the block/pass >>decisions, > >You should. There is a very strong correlation between cheap and bad. Of course, mor

Re: [mailop] Help with handling backscatter

2024-07-11 Thread Mark Alley via mailop
On 7/11/2024 3:01 PM, Jesse Hathaway via mailop wrote: We received a thousand or so of the attached backscatter emails this morning, each one to a different recipient, but with the same return-path,. I don't have much experience dealing with backscatter, so I was hoping for some guidance from thi

Re: [mailop] getting unblocked at outlook?

2024-07-11 Thread Archange via mailop
Just started getting these today. Looks like one of my colo neighbors behaved badly. No useful info at the suggested link, no contact given. Any suggestions on how to get my address unblocked? host outlook-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[52.101.68.28] said: 550 5.7.1 Unfortunately, mess

Re: [mailop] getting unblocked at outlook?

2024-07-11 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
https://sendersupport.olc.protection.outlook.com/snds/   On Thursday, 11/07/2024 at 15:52 Michael W. Lucas via mailop wrote: Just started getting these today. Looks like one of my colo neighbors behaved badly. No useful info at the suggested link, no contact given. Any suggestions on how to ge

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Scott Q. via mailop
Surprisingly, most of the Spam that makes it through these days is from Gmail. I'm not sure if they gave up completely on fighting the spammers that sign-up but I'm always increasing the score assigned to Gmail originating e-mails because of this.  99% of them are SEO offers and whatnot, surely it

[mailop] Help with handling backscatter

2024-07-11 Thread Jesse Hathaway via mailop
We received a thousand or so of the attached backscatter emails this morning, each one to a different recipient, but with the same return-path, . I don't have much experience dealing with backscatter, so I was hoping for some guidance from this list. Questions: 1. Why are the non-delivery notifi

[mailop] getting unblocked at outlook?

2024-07-11 Thread Michael W. Lucas via mailop
Just started getting these today. Looks like one of my colo neighbors behaved badly. No useful info at the suggested link, no contact given. Any suggestions on how to get my address unblocked? host outlook-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[52.101.68.28] said: 550 5.7.1 Unfortunately, message

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
Am 11.07.24 um 21:20 schrieb John Levine via mailop: It appears that Ralph Seichter via mailop said: Personally, I don't factor the price of domains into the block/pass decisions, You should. There is a very strong correlation between cheap and bad. And there are very rational reasons for t

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Ralph Seichter via mailop said: >Personally, I don't factor the price of domains into the block/pass >decisions, You should. There is a very strong correlation between cheap and bad. R's, John ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org

Re: [mailop] Cloud hosts for responsible mail servers?

2024-07-11 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Jeff Pang via mailop said: >This is what claude-3.5-sonnet answered for att email domains. For reasons already explained, Don't Do That. I tried the more reliable approach of looking for domains on the ns1.attdns.com name server: attdns.net. 172800 in ns ns1.attdn

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2024-07-10 at 14:44:50 UTC-0400 (Thu, 11 Jul 2024 02:44:50 +0800) Jeff Pang via mailop is rumored to have said: Hi Is there domain name discrimination in the email industry? Absolutely. Domain names carry reputations. They make it easier to discriminate between spam and ham. "Discriminat

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Thu, Jul 11, 2024, 3:41 AM Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > verification of each domain they want to > register. > > The .eu.org free domains have been there since many years and from what I > know, are rarely abused. But I guess some people immediately stop thinking > when they hear about "f

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Faisal Misle via mailop
Wow... a lot of brands abandoning their branded TLDs. I guess they realized it may be niche and with potential for confusion and not worth the upkeep expense. On 7/11/24 7:01 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote: It appears that Viktor Dukhovni via mailop said: On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 04:51:05PM

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Viktor Dukhovni via mailop said: >On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 04:51:05PM -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote: > >> I agree that overall, the new TLD program has been a failure and makes >> a mockery of ICANN's claim to operate as a public charity in the >> interests of the public. > >S

[mailop] B1gmail experience

2024-07-11 Thread Jeff Pang via mailop
Hello As a mailop I would like to test every kind of mail system. I know some old providers are using b1gmail system. B1gmail now has OSS version as the following link. Does anyone have experience on running/using b1gmail software? I’d like to know your thoughts on it. https://github.com/b1g

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2024-07-10 at 15:10:45 UTC-0400 (Thu, 11 Jul 2024 03:10:45 +0800) Jeff Pang via mailop is rumored to have said: On 2024-07-11 02:58, Michael Rathbun via mailop wrote: On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 02:44:50 +0800, Jeff Pang via mailop wrote: Is there domain name discrimination in the email industry

[mailop] [ADMIN] Re: Cloud hosts for responsible mail servers?

2024-07-11 Thread Graeme Fowler via mailop
Following on from Bill’s comment I would strongly advise the following: * If someone asks a question on the list and you do not know the answer, DO NOT turn to *any* generative AI instance, ask the question, and post the output as an answer - attributed or otherwise. On another forum in which I

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2024-07-10 at 15:11:01 UTC-0400 (Wed, 10 Jul 2024 12:11:01 -0700) Mark E Jeftovic via mailop is rumored to have said: legit crypto There's some sort of typo there but I'm not sure what you could possibly have meant by this phrase... -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.or

Re: [mailop] Cloud hosts for responsible mail servers?

2024-07-11 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2024-07-10 at 18:12:20 UTC-0400 (Thu, 11 Jul 2024 06:12:20 +0800) Jeff Pang via mailop is rumored to have said: This is what claude-3.5-sonnet answered for att email domains. It is a grossly unwise choice to look to ANY LLM for factual answers and it is actively misleading to present what

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Ralph Seichter via mailop
* Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop: > The .eu.org free domains have been there since many years and from > what I know, are rarely abused. But I guess some people immediately > stop thinking when they hear about "free domains"... Personally, I don't factor the price of domains into the block/pass decisio

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Jeff Pang via mailop
On 2024-07-11 18:38, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: The .eu.org free domains have been there since many years and from what I know, are rarely abused. But I guess some people immediately stop thinking when they hear about "free domains"... maybe you could get a rafaeu.org instead. org dom

Re: [mailop] Domains discrimination

2024-07-11 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 10.07.2024 o godz. 21:24:23 Ralph Seichter via mailop pisze: > > If sombody tries to send mail from something.xxx or otherthing.auto, for > example, they should expect having to work hard for their mail getting > accepted. I reject this type of domain until by means of directing I don't know

Re: [mailop] Anyone from Namecheap on this list to stop a cat and mouse playing scamer?

2024-07-11 Thread Slavko via mailop
Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 11 Jul 2024 08:37:05 +0200 Benoît Panizzon via mailop napísal: > The sender domain usually just got registered before the emails are > sent and is being deleted shortly after. did you try to identify new domains with zrd.dq.spamhaus.net, fresh.fmb.la or fresh*.spameatingmonkey.ne