Re: [mailop] FTC Report on Feasibility of Creating a 'Do Not Email' List

2022-05-17 Thread Luis E . Muñoz via mailop
On 17 May 2022, at 21:59, Dave Crocker via mailop wrote: > I keep enjoying that it has the style of satire, but is so well done is it > /extremely/ useful for legitimate use. I wonder if this one ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money should be complemented with a crypto vers

Re: [mailop] FTC Report on Feasibility of Creating a 'Do Not Email' List

2022-05-17 Thread Paul Vixie via mailop
Dave Crocker via mailop wrote on 2022-05-17 18:01: ..., the bigger problem, IMO, are the folk who operate in a criminal style, ignoring rules. my view has always been that the people who don't know what the rules are, and the people who know what the rules are but see them broadly ignored, cr

Re: [mailop] aol email help

2022-05-17 Thread Lyle via mailop
Hmm, take a look at the MX record published for AOL.COM AOL is owned by Verizon Media, which also owns Yahoo. On 5/17/2022 5:58 PM, sam via mailop wrote: Hello, I am trying to track down a contact for aol.com as we have a couple users who are emailing into aol.com but there mail is landing i

Re: [mailop] FTC Report on Feasibility of Creating a 'Do Not Email' List

2022-05-17 Thread Dave Crocker via mailop
On 5/17/2022 5:01 PM, Justin Scott via mailop wrote: I seem to recall a list of "reasons your anti-spam proposal won't work" http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt Some of us send it pretty automatically to whatever the next proposal is. Cory just told me that he got it from somewhere

Re: [mailop] FTC Report on Feasibility of Creating a 'Do Not Email' List

2022-05-17 Thread Paul Vixie via mailop
Justin Scott via mailop wrote on 2022-05-17 17:01: Ah, the Good Old Days(tm).  I seem to recall a list of "reasons your anti-spam proposal won't work" someone would post every time someone came up with a new way to fight spam that included things like "It requires spammers to change their beh

Re: [mailop] FTC Report on Feasibility of Creating a 'Do Not Email' List

2022-05-17 Thread Dave Crocker via mailop
On 5/17/2022 4:40 PM, Anne Mitchell via mailop wrote: "why we can't do that", culminating in "the Commission concludes that, under present conditions, a National Do Not Email Registry in any form would not have any beneficial impact on the spam problem. It is clear, based on spammers’ abiliti

Re: [mailop] FTC Report on Feasibility of Creating a 'Do Not Email' List

2022-05-17 Thread Jarland Donnell via mailop
So are we making our own list? This happening? I just use this right now: https://www.stopforumspam.com/downloads On 2022-05-17 18:40, Anne Mitchell via mailop wrote: For those who didn't know, you may find this infuria...interesting. Did you know that CAN-SPAM mandated that the FTC look at cre

Re: [mailop] FTC Report on Feasibility of Creating a 'Do Not Email' List

2022-05-17 Thread Justin Scott via mailop
Ah, the Good Old Days(tm). I seem to recall a list of "reasons your anti-spam proposal won't work" someone would post every time someone came up with a new way to fight spam that included things like "It requires spammers to change their behavior" and "it involves a central authority or agency to

[mailop] FTC Report on Feasibility of Creating a 'Do Not Email' List

2022-05-17 Thread Anne Mitchell via mailop
For those who didn't know, you may find this infuria...interesting. Did you know that CAN-SPAM mandated that the FTC look at creating a Do Not Email list and report their findings within 6 months of CAN-SPAM being enacted? That report was created and delivered, and it is 60 pages of "why we can

Re: [mailop] Spamhaus: Get more details about LISTING (Could a DMARC Report Address point to a spamtrap)?

2022-05-17 Thread Tobias Fiebig via mailop
Heho, > They're just reporting what they recieve. It shouldn't be a big surprise > that spamware makes up addresses, some of which happen to be in your domains. Nah, i mean 'i receive spam with a from of $large_entity and reject due to DMARC failing', hence my systen tries to send a report to w

Re: [mailop] Spamhaus: Get more details about LISTING (Could a DMARC Report Address point to a spamtrap)?

2022-05-17 Thread John R Levine via mailop
On Tue, 17 May 2022, Tobias Fiebig wrote: However, judging from the state of DMARC reporting by the bounces hitting my report-from (_large_ orgs having non existent mailboxes in there etc.), I'd argue that the only thing that prevents ruf/rua that are stale for a decade is the age of RFC7489.

[mailop] aol email help

2022-05-17 Thread sam via mailop
Hello, I am trying to track down a contact for aol.com as we have a couple users who are emailing into aol.com but there mail is landing in spam I confirmed that SPF and DKIM are enabled and dmarc is enabled as well on the domain ___ mailop mailing lis

Re: [mailop] Spamhaus: Get more details about LISTING (Could a DMARC Report Address point to a spamtrap)?

2022-05-17 Thread Tobias Fiebig via mailop
Heho, > If they did, they would age them for at least a year before turning them into > traps, by which time the DMARC records would be long gone. I generally agree with your argument, that this is a really unlikely scenario. Also, because the spam-trap domain would naturally lack the ._report._

Re: [mailop] Spamhaus: Get more details about LISTING (Could a DMARC Report Address point to a spamtrap)?

2022-05-17 Thread John Levine via mailop
It appears that Tobias Fiebig via mailop said: >Heho, >I recently described how this could actually be used by a malicious third >party to cause a sender to be blocklisted by major mail operators (see thread >titled >"DMARC/TLSRPT to non-existing accounts/reflection and sender reputation" from

Re: [mailop] Spamhaus: Get more details about LISTING (Could a DMARC Report Address point to a spamtrap)?

2022-05-17 Thread Tobias Fiebig via mailop
Heho, I recently described how this could actually be used by a malicious third party to cause a sender to be blocklisted by major mail operators (see thread titled "DMARC/TLSRPT to non-existing accounts/reflection and sender reputation" from the end of April). However, in your case it does not

Re: [mailop] Spamhaus: Get more details about LISTING (Could a DMARC Report Address point to a spamtrap)?

2022-05-17 Thread Jarland Donnell via mailop
A similar issue (not with spamhaus) crept up recently and I had to do a lot of log diving to find the culprit. Just for kicks and in case you get nothing else of value in reply, any chance that taking the two time frames and comparing them to see what recipients matched is of any value? I guess

[mailop] Spamhaus: Get more details about LISTING (Could a DMARC Report Address point to a spamtrap)?

2022-05-17 Thread Benoit Panizzon via mailop
Hopefully somebody from spamhaus is reading. The 2nd day in a row, our main mailplattform IP address is listed and outlook.com blocks all emails. Spamhaus only gives a timestamp +/- 5 minutes. There are A LOT OF EMAILS passing our plattform in 10 Minutes. Yesterday I found a suspect. One custom