From: http://www.sorbs.net/general/using.shtml
Under 'Zones Available':
nomail.rhsbl.sorbs.net - List of domain names where the owners have
indicated no email should ever originate from
these
domains.
.. Its pretty much defunct
Ah yes.. have to have the ACL's in place to send empty replies ;)
With our company having run RBL's for well over 10 years, (like many
others on this list) we have seen it all, spammers checking for clean IP
space, employees at competitors, the 'startups' wanting to seed their
data sets (don't
On 8 Jan 2019, at 15:58, Grant Taylor via mailop wrote:
On 01/08/2019 01:49 PM, John R Levine wrote:
(I) don't see it as very useful.
Fair.
I'm of the opinion that an RBL is not difficult to set up. To me the
difficult thing is sourcing data to put in it.
No, the difficult part of runnin
On 01/08/2019 02:36 PM, Rob McEwen wrote:
I get offers OFTEN from those who had been blacklisted by invaluement,
where they ask, "Rob, can we pay you to up us set up our system better
so that we won't have the kind of security breaches that caused us to
get blacklisted?" (and then I kindly stat
On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 16:36 -0500, Rob McEwen wrote:
> On 1/8/2019 4:26 PM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
> > Any value greater than a reasonable amount to provide a
> > communications
> > portal, and actual communications with, the entity requesting the
> > de-
> > listing.
>
> Jim,
> I get off
On 1/8/2019 4:26 PM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
Any value greater than a reasonable amount to provide a communications
portal, and actual communications with, the entity requesting the de-
listing.
Jim,
I get offers OFTEN from those who had been blacklisted by invaluement,
where they as
On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 18:03 +, Olaf Petry - Hornetsecurity wrote:
> > > If the barrier had been $1000, then sure
> > > I would have said "it's extortion", but it wasn't.
>
> Where does the extortion barrier start in your opinion? 1000, 500,
> 100, 20 or 1 Buck?
Any value greater than a reas
It's just another tool in our toolbox.
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Benjamin
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From: mailop On Behalf Of John R Levine
Sent: mardi 8 janvier 2019 21:49
To: Brandon Long
Cc: mailop ; Grant Taylor
Subject: Re: [mailop] List of unused, big email-domains?
> Tools can be used for good and bad purp
On 01/08/2019 01:49 PM, John R Levine wrote:
(I) don't see it as very useful.
Fair.
I'm of the opinion that an RBL is not difficult to set up. To me the
difficult thing is sourcing data to put in it.
I do also want to be sure that if such is done, there is some sanity
around it.
Can I a
Tools can be used for good and bad purposes. At some level, an ESP is
trusting mailing lists from their customers, and
knows that some of those lists are bad, even if the customer claims the
lists are on the up and up. Any "white hat" ESP is going
to have various systems in place to try and catc
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 11:53 AM John Levine wrote:
> In article <
> 939a57ce-4fcc-bd72-b2a4-632fe...@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> you
> write:
> >Also, it would be trivial for spam trap operators to disqualify their
> >domains by stating that they do send email from said domains.
>
> Why woul
In article
you write:
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>
>On 01/08/2019 12:46 PM, John Levine wrote:
>> Why would spam trap domains want to say anything?
>
>So that their domain(s) would be ineligible to be listed.
You're still making the key assumption that they would care.
>Receivers could use it to
On 01/08/2019 12:46 PM, John Levine wrote:
Why would spam trap domains want to say anything?
So that their domain(s) would be ineligible to be listed.
Something as simple as the following would render a sending domain
ineligible.
From: postmaster@domain.eample
Subject: I send email.
In article <939a57ce-4fcc-bd72-b2a4-632fe...@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net>
you write:
>Also, it would be trivial for spam trap operators to disqualify their
>domains by stating that they do send email from said domains.
Why would spam trap domains want to say anything?
What would tbe point o
RBL would be useful but I can start a list of defunct domains based on my
experience, my email history and a few logs. I can't publish a RBL in a blink.
Also in my case, I wouldn't need a MTA to consume the list, I just want to have
a list, with a date (or a year) of when the domain stopped askin
Yes, we are aware of the policy with many of the .pl ISPs. Without getting into
too much detail here, I had questions/concerns that the current deferrals my be
unrelated to those policies. Luckily, someone here (thank you) was able to
forward my question to a contact at Interia, so hopefully I’l
On 01/08/2019 10:32 AM, John Levine wrote:
A lot of them have been turned into spamtraps after rejecting mail for
a year or so. For obvious reasons, the people using them will not tell
you what they are.
I think there is a significant difference in a list of defunct sending
domains and a lis
On 01/08/2019 11:33 AM, Michael Peddemors wrote:
We have long been planning on a IPv6 MTA registry, where those wanting
to run MTA's on IPv6 could register as a certified operator, eg. a
legitimate party with proper abuse contacts etc..
Okay. I question how large the value is in that.
I say
However, another take on this..
We have long been planning on a IPv6 MTA registry, where those wanting
to run MTA's on IPv6 could register as a certified operator, eg. a
legitimate party with proper abuse contacts etc..
DNSBL on IPv4 works well enough, but for the IPv6 size, it is more
effec
On 1/8/2019 12:43 PM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
For everyone who says "extortion" is it not
legitimate to question their motives for saying so? Let me be clear,
the folks that I hear make the extortion claim, all provide competitive
offerings or sell fee-based deliverability consulting ser
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On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 12:04 -0500, Rob McEwen wrote:
> On 1/8/2019 11:46 AM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
> > The same has been said about HTML emails...but that hasn't stopped
> > folks from using them.;-)
>
> "apples to oranges" comparison - sort of like saying it is ok to
> cheat on your tax
On 01/08/2019 09:55 AM, Benjamin BILLON wrote:
I'd be interested in that too.
As would I.
As I'm not aware of such list, what about just starting it from
scratch? We could put it on Wikipedia or anywhere else where it makes
sense, and where we would have history and versioning.
I'm not opp
In article <570336ea-8179-23c2-6a8c-1fa95380e...@stefan-neufeind.de> you write:
>Does somebody know of a list of domains that are known to not run
>email-services anymore these days?
A lot of them have been turned into spamtraps after rejecting mail for
a year or so. For obvious reasons, the peop
Hi,
maybe at least some good describing comment, if possible also links
pointing to an official shutdown or reasons why some domain is not used
anymore (for emails).
Another good example might be gmail.de which nowadays belongs to Google
but was never actively used for emails. Instead most people
Hi there,
Would be happy to jump on that too and help, I was just talking about this very
topic with a collegue this morning, It would be useful so often to have this
kind of resource to just point to our customer when we talk about list
hygiene... you know:
"hey, please do take action as your
+1 in being interested in that documentation. I have a relatively small
list based on shutdown announcements from industry blog posts, e.g. what Al
Iverson has compiled here:
https://www.spamresource.com/search/label/dead%20domains
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Benjamin BILLON wrote:
> I'd be
On 1/8/2019 11:46 AM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
The same has been said about HTML emails...but that hasn't stopped
folks from using them.;-)
"apples to oranges" comparison - sort of like saying it is ok to cheat
on your taxes because some people drive 5 miles above the speed limit.
IM
I'd be interested in that too.
As I'm not aware of such list, what about just starting it from scratch? We
could put it on Wikipedia or anywhere else where it makes sense, and where we
would have history and versioning.
I recently saw a few domains decommissioned for years, and they still have
On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 11:26 -0500, Rob McEwen wrote:
> On 1/8/2019 10:26 AM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
> > > Which spammer would not pay that fee if they would be interested
> > > to
> > > get whitelisted?
> >
> > That's not how it works, and frankly you should know that as a
> > security
>
Hi,
from time to time I stumble across (former?) large mail-domains,
including for example vr-web.de, eunet.at und some others. Those domains
also include some freemails of "former days". of which quite a number
don't run email-services anymore.
Does somebody know of a list of domains that are kn
On 1/8/2019 10:26 AM, Jim Popovitch via mailop wrote:
Which spammer would not pay that fee if they would be interested to
get whitelisted?
That's not how it works, and frankly you should know that as a security
expert.
At the very least, it is a suspicious practice. And certain people high
u
On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 15:06 +, Olaf Petry - Hornetsecurity wrote:
> > > the $$ is to validate the responsible entity behind a sending
> > > domain that is whitelisted
>
>
> You are kidding, don't you?
No I am not kidding.
> Which spammer would not pay that fee if they would be interested to
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On Tue, 2019-01-08 at 13:56 +, Mathieu Bourdin wrote:
> Wasnt that the paying "service"? I think remember something like 20$
> for getting delisted for each IP or domain.
Yep, that's $20 per year. The $$ isn't to fund their vacations or
service, the $$ is to validate the responsible entity be
Wasnt that the paying "service"? I think remember something like 20$ for
getting delisted for each IP or domain. We considered it a scam and didn't go
forward on that, especially as the "service" itself was only loosely related to
Barracuda itself. Seemed weird to us. Might be mistaken though, i
> On Jan 8, 2019, at 11:53 AM, David Jones via mailop wrote:
>
> Anyone on this list know if this site is worth registration? One of our mail
> servers was listed on Barracuda BRBL which recommended to sign up with
> emailreg.org.
>
> http://www.emailreg.org/index.cgi?p=register
It's a sli
Anyone on this list know if this site is worth registration? One of our mail
servers was listed on Barracuda BRBL which recommended to sign up with
emailreg.org.
http://www.emailreg.org/index.cgi?p=register
Dave Jones
Education Networks of America
Hi Matt,
I'm afraid this isn't a good news.
This and other Polish ISPs are deferring emails on purpose, to encourage
senders to pay for delivery.
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Benjamin
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