Re: [mailop] DKIM headers - which do you sign and why?

2018-07-23 Thread Jim Popovitch via mailop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 2018-07-24 at 00:30 +0200, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > And still I'm honestly looking for stats about how many domains are > really currently sending DMARC reports to senders (I get reports for > much less than 1% of my recipients: is it what yo

Re: [mailop] DKIM headers - which do you sign and why?

2018-07-23 Thread Laura Atkins
> And still I'm honestly looking for stats about how many domains are > really currently sending DMARC reports to senders (I get reports for > much less than 1% of my recipients: is it what you all get or is there > something wrong in my setup/target?). I’ve done some analysis for clients in the

Re: [mailop] DKIM headers - which do you sign and why?

2018-07-23 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018, Stefano Bagnara wrote: We wrote that a long time before anyone had imagined the mess that is DMARC. Well, if it is not valid anymore then we need an update... "You" made 3 revisions between 2007 and 2011 and then stopped updating it when it really started being used? ;-) Th

Re: [mailop] DKIM headers - which do you sign and why?

2018-07-23 Thread Stefano Bagnara
On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 at 23:50, John Levine wrote: > In article > you > write: > >On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 at 20:16, Steve Atkins wrote: > >> > On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:28 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > >> > [...] > >> > Otherwise we keep weakening DMARC to a point where it is not useful > >> > anymore.

Re: [mailop] DKIM headers - which do you sign and why?

2018-07-23 Thread Kurt Andersen (b)
On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Laura Atkins wrote: > > On Jul 23, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 at 20:16, Steve Atkins wrote: > > On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:28 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > [...] > Otherwise we keep weakening DMARC to a point where it is not usef

Re: [mailop] DKIM headers - which do you sign and why?

2018-07-23 Thread Laura Atkins
> On Jul 23, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 at 20:16, Steve Atkins wrote: >>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:28 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: >>> [...] >>> Otherwise we keep weakening DMARC to a point where it is not useful anymore. >> >> For many senders it's not useful

Re: [mailop] DKIM headers - which do you sign and why?

2018-07-23 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 at 20:16, Steve Atkins wrote: >> > On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:28 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: >> > [...] >> > Otherwise we keep weakening DMARC to a point where it is not useful >> > anymore. >> >> For many senders it's not useful; it's actively harmful. The

Re: [mailop] DKIM headers - which do you sign and why?

2018-07-23 Thread Stefano Bagnara
On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 at 20:16, Steve Atkins wrote: > > On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:28 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > > [...] > > Otherwise we keep weakening DMARC to a point where it is not useful anymore. > > For many senders it's not useful; it's actively harmful. They're deploying it > because they've

Re: [mailop] DKIM headers - which do you sign and why?

2018-07-23 Thread Steve Atkins
> On Jul 21, 2018, at 1:28 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 at 04:11, Dave Crocker wrote: >> The concern for replay attack should be adequately mitigated by gluing >> the d= identifier to the major substance of the message. The rest, >> really, is handling-related, rather tha

Re: [mailop] Is Bimi online/test

2018-07-23 Thread Mathieu Bourdin
Nope, no Bimi header that I can see (well non explicitly using the name "bimi" at least), that's why I was wondering if they were testing something new, and which "steps" sender have to pay attention to. Mathieu. -Message d'origine- De : mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] De la

Re: [mailop] Is Bimi online/test

2018-07-23 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Mathieu Bourdin : > Since this morning , we've seen several cases of big brands (for the moment > only US and some Chinese brands like Wish/alibaba) getting their logo > displayed on the beta version of outlook.com (and in the vintage version when > a mail is opened). We were wondering if this

[mailop] Is Bimi online/test

2018-07-23 Thread Mathieu Bourdin
Hi, Since this morning , we've seen several cases of big brands (for the moment only US and some Chinese brands like Wish/alibaba) getting their logo displayed on the beta version of outlook.com (and in the vintage version when a mail is opened). We were wondering if this would be the first ste