Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-10 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2018-04-10 23:52:59 (+0800), John Levine wrote: In article <20180410083903.gi86...@rincewind.trouble.is> you write: I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 ... Accented characters in real na

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-10 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018, Brandon Long wrote: I meant interpreting addresses in mail to my own mailboxes, the generalized version of case folding and subaddresses. Maybe you're right that undotted i's won't work in a lot of places, but I'd be surprised if they didn't work in Turkey. Aren't there st

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-10 Thread Mihai Costea
On this topic, Office 365 EAI support got very positive adoption https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/exchange/2017/12/27/eai-support-announcement/ It seems non-ASCII emails and domain names will get more and more popular ___ mailop mailing list mailo

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-10 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:32 AM John R Levine wrote: > >> The Gmail and Hotmail support handles other people's UTF-8 addresses > >> in mail but they still don't provide UTF-8 addresses on their own > >> systems. > > > > From what I can tell, Gmail and outlook.com's support is basically > "just s

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-10 Thread Mark Milhollan
And yet Google (and Microsoft and many others) do seem to assume that if the headers are badly formatted (in various ways) it needs rejection or adds to the score tending towards classification as SPAM. The body is a different mess, indeed, and one where a more relaxed scanner seems to be used

Re: [mailop] DMARC with broken DKIM

2018-04-10 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:04 AM Vittorio Bertola < vittorio.bert...@open-xchange.com> wrote: > > > Il 10 aprile 2018 alle 2.15 Brandon Long via mailop > ha scritto: > > > > > > Google does not yet trust third party ARC signatures, yes. We're open > to manually > > adding some as they become avai

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-10 Thread John R Levine
The Gmail and Hotmail support handles other people's UTF-8 addresses in mail but they still don't provide UTF-8 addresses on their own systems. From what I can tell, Gmail and outlook.com's support is basically "just send UTF-8", that is, it will send EAI messages without the server offering the

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-10 Thread Brandon Long via mailop
Mail has never been clean, if you've been using such a simple easy rejection rule, you are likely a majority English provider who doesn't get much else. It used to be very common to get mail in koi8-r or koi8-u, or in iso-2022-jp or sjis, for example, or even in iso-8859-1 or others around Europe.

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters {dkim-fail}

2018-04-10 Thread Ned Freed
> In article > > you write: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >Hello folks > > > >I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the > >support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 > >Charcacters and including things like accented char

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-10 Thread Mark Milhollan
But that's the From: comment and Subject: text where they're expected and already have a way to provide for encoded UTF-8 (or whatever), where SMTPUTF8 means we will likely begin seeing raw UTF-8 in the From: mailbox name, and anywhere in Received: and other headers. This will make MUAs and thu

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-10 Thread John Levine
In article <20180410083903.gi86...@rincewind.trouble.is> you write: >>>I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the >>>support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 ... >Accented characters in real names are pretty universally accepted >though. E

Re: [mailop] question regarding support for international characters

2018-04-10 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2018-04-09 12:16:08 (+0100), Jeremy Harris wrote: On 09/04/18 11:22, Annalivia Ford wrote: I've been tasked with finding out what the general consensus is on the support in email headers for International characters such as UTF-8 Charcacters and including things like accented characters lik

Re: [mailop] DMARC with broken DKIM

2018-04-10 Thread Vittorio Bertola
> Il 10 aprile 2018 alle 2.15 Brandon Long via mailop ha > scritto: > > > Google does not yet trust third party ARC signatures, yes.  We're open to > manually > adding some as they become available, but overall, it's a chicken and egg > thing > so far, there aren't enough of them yet for us