[mailop] AOL list mail delivery

2017-06-09 Thread Bryan Blackwell
Greetings, I run a few small (1000 users or less) e-mail lists. I have the lists on Mailman, set up with the DMARC options (From address is the list, Reply-To is the actual sender) and up until recently everything has worked fine. Lately, however, I sometimes have all my AOL users mail fail w

Re: [mailop] What are "printing ASCII characters" RFC 850/2822 (was: Re: Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"))

2017-06-09 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
On 09-06-17 18:19, Johann Klasek wrote: On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 04:22:56PM +0200, Benoit Panizzon wrote: [..] So I'm trying to figure out, if lotus notes is wrong, or amavis being too picky? Not so easy... If I browse the RFC regarding Message ID and SMTP, I basically get the not so clear defini

Re: [mailop] What are "printing ASCII characters" RFC 850/2822 (was: Re: Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"))

2017-06-09 Thread Johann Klasek
On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 04:22:56PM +0200, Benoit Panizzon wrote: [..] > So I'm trying to figure out, if lotus notes is wrong, or amavis being > too picky? Not so easy... If I browse the RFC regarding Message ID and > SMTP, I basically get the not so clear definition, that "all printable > ASCII cha

Re: [mailop] DMARC forensic reports

2017-06-09 Thread Laura Atkins
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 5:58 PM, John Levine wrote: > > In article <9bd40d9d-1c4f-4859-8169-d270d2811...@wordtothewise.com> you write: >>> https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-status/ >> >> That doesn’t distinguish between forensic and summary reports, I don’t >> think.

Re: [mailop] What are "printing ASCII characters" RFC 850/2822 (was: Re: Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"))

2017-06-09 Thread John Levine
In article <20170609162256.3e4e5...@go.imp.ch> you write: >The problem is that apparently lotus notes uses the § character in the >Message-ID and amavis complains about it being an unencoded 8-bit >character. Amavis is right. The standard for ASCII is RFC 20, and it's definitely a seven-bit code.

Re: [mailop] What are "printing ASCII characters" RFC 850/2822 (was: Re: Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"))

2017-06-09 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 16:22:56 +0200, Benoit Panizzon said: > The problem is that apparently lotus notes uses the § character in the > Message-ID and amavis complains about it being an unencoded 8-bit > character. Lotus Notes is a boil upon the buttocks of internet email that desperately needs lanci

Re: [mailop] What are "printing ASCII characters" RFC 850/2822

2017-06-09 Thread Benoit Panizzon
Hi all > Are you sure that Lotus Notes is using that character? Have you got > an example? Ok, as I told, they use some sort of automatic order form processing software which communicates via email. So it looks like an external module or similar for lotus notes which generates those messages, inc

Re: [mailop] What are "printing ASCII characters" RFC 850/2822

2017-06-09 Thread Paul Smith
On 09/06/2017 15:22, Benoit Panizzon wrote: Well § is a printable character, but it is above the first 127 bytes (8-bit). So is ASCII defined as being only the first 127 characters, or is ASCII the full 255 character set, and the upper 127 ones containing certain control characters and some local

Re: [mailop] What are "printing ASCII characters" RFC 850/2822 (was: Re: Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"))

2017-06-09 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Eh? I've not seen that, somehow The typical notes message id is something like this - this is from an ancient version but the format hasn't changed Message-ID: --srs > On 09-Jun-2017, at 7:52 PM, Benoit Panizzon wrote: > > The problem is that apparently lotus notes uses the § character in t

Re: [mailop] What are "printing ASCII characters" RFC 850/2822

2017-06-09 Thread Vladimir Dubrovin via mailop
ASCII is 7-bit encoding, it means there can not be ASCII characters with values above 127. 09.06.2017 17:22, Benoit Panizzon пишет: > Hello > > Thank you for the replies suggesting that the problem could be caused > by an amavis virus scanner. That was bullseye :-) > > Indeed, amavis at recipioe

[mailop] What are "printing ASCII characters" RFC 850/2822 (was: Re: Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"))

2017-06-09 Thread Benoit Panizzon
Hello Thank you for the replies suggesting that the problem could be caused by an amavis virus scanner. That was bullseye :-) Indeed, amavis at recipioents site generates a delayed bounce, which is then sent directly to the MX of the sender and thus bypassed my sniffing between our filter and the

Re: [mailop] Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"

2017-06-09 Thread Eric Henson
Are the messages calendar invites, by any chance? In Exchange you can specify how certain items are sent to certain domains. They should consider looking at that. -Original Message- From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Panizzon Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 2:

Re: [mailop] Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"

2017-06-09 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
Hi, Benoit, On 09-06-17 09:30, Benoit Panizzon wrote: Hello We have a 'challenging' problem between two companies sending each other emails. The sender keeps getting notifications, that his emails to the recipient are delayed. But this is not true. Analyzing the email headers the recipient sen

Re: [mailop] Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"

2017-06-09 Thread Ken O'Driscoll via mailop
Hi Benoît, A lot more than ISPConfig has that error string. For example, I've encountered it from an site using Amavisd in response to invalid MIME encoding in a campaign. I'd be looking at the actual originating message to see if there are any obvious abnormalities with it, such as duplicate hea

[mailop] Lotus Notes and "250 2.6.0 Bad message, but will be delivered anyway"

2017-06-09 Thread Benoit Panizzon
Hello We have a 'challenging' problem between two companies sending each other emails. The sender keeps getting notifications, that his emails to the recipient are delayed. But this is not true. Analyzing the email headers the recipient sent me I can confirm, the emails take about two seconds! fr