Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Ken O'Driscoll
Completely agree. I've seen a good sender (unwisely) split test ESPs, get listed as a snowshoer on Spamhaus but still maintain inbox placement with Gmail. I think sending history, behavioural analytics, being in the address book etc. have much more weight with Google than the content of the subjec

Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Eric Henson
Google's spam system--as published in their whitepaper some years ago--penalizes email when users mark the emails as spam. So if I mark that email as spam without reading it, then the next guy to get one like that is more likely to have the email end up in the spam bucket. Eric Henso

Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Al Iverson
I actually have seen lots of clients doing this, and have had nobody that I can remember complain of deliverability issues. I think it's fine and dandy to theorize, but nobody's shown any sort of specific proof that Gmail actually cares about using goofy symbols in subject lines or that they would

Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread John Levine
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Re: [mailop] Anybody home at malwareurl.com?

2016-12-13 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >Hey, does anyone know how to deal with false positive entries at >malwareurl.com? Hmmn. $ $ host malwareurl.com malwareurl.com mail is handled by 10 mail.trvsecurity.com. $ host www.malwareurl.com www.malwareurl.com has address 85.17.27.39 $ host mail.trvsecurity.com. m

Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 13 Dec 2016, at 4:26, Marco Franceschetti via mailop wrote: Hi I am writing from ContactLab's Deliverability Team. One of our client has introduced multivariate testing on subject lines in the last 3 months. Gmail's inbox is since then more and more difficult to reach. Hi Marco, Exce

[mailop] Anybody home at malwareurl.com?

2016-12-13 Thread Al Iverson
Hey, does anyone know how to deal with false positive entries at malwareurl.com? They seem to have captured a handful of links from messages sent by various clients of ours. They've tagged them all as "phishing" when they clearly are not phishing links. The contact options on malwareurl.com seem p

[mailop] outlook mobile servers do not recognize letsencrypt SSL certificates

2016-12-13 Thread Arkadiusz Miśkiewicz
Anyone from microsoft outlook mobile backend team? Software there seem to fail to recognize letsencrypt.org issued certificates used for imap (and possibly smtp, too - can't test because it complains about imap first). On my side I see "sslv3 alert certificate unknown: SSL alert number 46" whic

Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Jens John
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 12:26:44PM +, Marco Franceschetti via mailop wrote: > Or, could the new style approach be to blame? Testing for "unusual" characters in subject lines and/or body are a common way of making a guess at the spamminess of messages. E.g. spamassassin has by default rules fo

Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Chris Boyd
> On Dec 13, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Eric Henson wrote: > > Those subject lines scream "spam" at me. I'd mark those as spam without even > opening them. +1, and the emojis just make it worse. —Chris ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chil

Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Vick Khera
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Marco Franceschetti via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > Or, could the new style approach be to blame? > Seems like your client should test the same subject line with and without emoji and find out. We have not studied yet the effect emoji in subject lines to

Re: [mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Eric Henson
Those subject lines scream "spam" at me. I'd mark those as spam without even opening them. -Original Message- From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Marco Franceschetti via mailop Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 6:27 AM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop] Mult

Re: [mailop] Mysterious DKIM failure.

2016-12-13 Thread Vick Khera
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Steve Atkins wrote: >o Use quoted-printable for all body text > This one bit me pretty well with AOL a few years ago -- rewriting of 8-bit to 7-bit. The only solution was to QP encode everything. ___ mailop mailing

[mailop] Multivariate Subject testing influences Gmail's filters?

2016-12-13 Thread Marco Franceschetti via mailop
Hi I am writing from ContactLab's Deliverability Team. One of our client has introduced multivariate testing on subject lines in the last 3 months. Gmail's inbox is since then more and more difficult to reach. I am not aware of all the methodological details... The multivariate tests are per

Re: [mailop] Mysterious DKIM failure.

2016-12-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:26:04 -0700, Luke Martinez via mailop said: > Whether or not you should ignore changes to whitespace and capitalization > seems like a fairly trivial thing. Not when you're talking about a cryptographic signature, where a single changed bit should change the signature drast