[mailop] need trustwave.com contact--for e-mail deliverability issue

2015-09-10 Thread Rob McEwen
I need a trustwave.com contact--to help investigate an e-mail deliverability issue which is causing hand-typed messages sent from a prestigious law firm to get blocked. Feel free to reply off-list. Thanks! -- Rob McEwen, CEO of invaluement.com +1 478-475-9032 _

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Dave Warren
On 2015-09-10 06:58, John Levine wrote: SRS was mostly useful as an exercise to confirm that the world is not going to completely change how it works just because the FUSSP du jour can't describe the way it's been sending mail for 30 years. Personally, I'd r

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Dave Warren
On 2015-09-10 04:45, Robert Mueller wrote: Is there any evidence it's been useful in any way to help stop or identify spam? No. But it's moderately good at helping identify when a message is from the sender it claims, and this is useful information. I love that I can give users a one click "

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Brandon Long
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Gil Bahat wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Brandon Long wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 6:50 AM, John Levine wrote: >> >>> >Does anyone understand SRS? I thought it was pretty much a dead end. >>> >>> It dates from the magic bullet phase

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Gil Bahat
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Brandon Long wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 6:50 AM, John Levine wrote: > >> >Does anyone understand SRS? I thought it was pretty much a dead end. >> >> It dates from the magic bullet phase of SPF, so yeah. >> >> >The reason we rewrite is so that bounces

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Michael Peddemors
On 15-09-10 05:13 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Spam (and all other forms of abuse) is/are best stopped as close to the source as possible: every hop away from there makes the problem harder and pushes the error rate up. Thus the ideal place is*at* the source. This doesn't require SPF or SRS or DKIM

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread John Levine
>IMHO everything about SPF and SRS borders on somewhere between pointless >and craziness. Is there any evidence it's been useful in any way to help >stop or identify spam? A plain SPF '-all' to say this domain sends no mail at all works great. Other than that SPF has been somewhat useful for phis

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread John Levine
>Does anyone understand SRS? I thought it was pretty much a dead end. It dates from the magic bullet phase of SPF, so yeah. >The reason we rewrite is so that bounces come back to us so we can >automatically disable forwarding if the account we're forwarding to goes >away. Well, actually, you're

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread David Hofstee
>> In general, it seems we're way past the point where we should have a more >> explicit system for forwarding. > Agree. Who wants to write one? :) On needs to think of what ‘forwarding’ means: - It could mean that someone wants to forward his/her email from localp...@example.com to a

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
> On 10-Sep-2015, at 5:15 PM, Robert Mueller wrote: > > IMHO everything about SPF and SRS borders on somewhere between pointless and > craziness. Thank you. —srs___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/m

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 09:45:40PM +1000, Robert Mueller wrote: > IMHO everything about SPF and SRS borders on somewhere between pointless > and craziness. Is there any evidence it's been useful in any way to help > stop or identify spam? No. SPF was announced by an ignorant newbie with this gran

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Robert Mueller
>> Ok, just to confirm, does this mean you don't recommend or recognise >> SRS rewritten MAIL FROM addresses as special in any way? > > Does anyone understand SRS?  I thought it was pretty much a dead end. IMHO everything about SPF and SRS borders on somewhere between pointless and craziness. Is