Re: [mailop] help with running a listserv and DMARC

2015-02-14 Thread John Levine
>Obviously this doesn't speak to how temporary it was, but to hear the >Yahoo/AOL folks tell it, there was an immediate drop-off in very visible >effects (ie, they were having a large support volume issue due to people >actually calling them about this) and it hasn't come back. AOL and Yahoo had a

Re: [mailop] help with running a listserv and DMARC

2015-02-14 Thread John Levine
In article <888f200b-0e5e-42d9-99a0-5a7c33420...@linkedin.com> you write: >>> I run a small listserv supporting the Presidential Innovation Fellows >at the White House and a few alumni classes at the Air Force Academy, >plus a couple of small other lists. These are not huge lists, perhaps >100 on

Re: [mailop] AOL SCOMP messages

2015-02-14 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> On Feb 14, 2015, at 4:51 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > Be prepared for a reality where nearly all of the SCOMP reports you > will ever get are false positives generated by careless, ignorant, > clueless AOL users. We have customers who have end users who *pay* to receive their mailings, and s

Re: [mailop] Bounces as a canary (was Re: AOL SCOMP messages)

2015-02-14 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> From: Eric Tykwinski > This is were I wish there was some standardization of bounce messages. > If email server operators could receive reports of X number of bounces > reliably it may cut down on the number of compromised accounts considerably, > by scripting some sort of shutdown of the accou

Re: [mailop] AOL SCOMP messages

2015-02-14 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Michael Wise wrote: > > Two things I would recommend most highly, not just for AOL recipients but > others as well. > > 1) emphasize the desirability of adding the mailing list address to Safe > Senders, preferably at the top of the email. > 2) emphasize how eas

Re: [mailop] AOL SCOMP messages

2015-02-14 Thread Rich Kulawiec
Be prepared for a reality where nearly all of the SCOMP reports you will ever get are false positives generated by careless, ignorant, clueless AOL users. I've had a feedback loop there since March 2004, and easily, *easily*, well over 99% of the reports I've ever gotten were from people on maili

[mailop] Bounces as a canary (was Re: AOL SCOMP messages)

2015-02-14 Thread Lena
> From: Eric Tykwinski > This is were I wish there was some standardization of bounce messages. > If email server operators could receive reports of X number of bounces > reliably it may cut down on the number of compromised accounts considerably, > by scripting some sort of shutdown of the accoun

Re: [mailop] help with running a listserv and DMARC

2015-02-14 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:53:15AM -0800, Brandon Long wrote: > Probably because fewer people by several orders of magnitude use discussion > lists than are affected by the phishing problems that DMARC and the > AOL/Yahoo MSPs are trying to solve. 1. The phishing problems that they're allegedly tr