Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-18 Thread Helen Holzgrafe
Hi Benny, I no longer have the offending files. Once I got them all imported (which did take nearly 3 weeks), I deleted the originals. They were .mbox files in a POP mail account on my personal mail server, not an outside service, and I was using Postbox. These files had been around for many

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-18 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen
On 15 May 2015, at 13:26, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 15 May 2015, at 2:20, Thomas Floeren wrote: No matter which mail client or mail box, I’m moving *out* messages older than 12 months, either to the folder of the project they are related to, or otherwise to my generic mail archive on disk.

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-15 Thread Kai Großjohann
On 15 May 2015, at 13:26, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Users preferring this kind of setup are going to appreciate the Spotlight plugin likely to be available in the next update of MailMate: * Locally stored messages (`.eml` files) are searchable using Spotlight/Finder. * A local message can be

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-15 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 15 May 2015, at 13:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 15 May 2015, at 9:16, Patrik Fältström wrote: > >> (*) Why do the activity viewer always scroll to the top, even though latest >> information is at the bottom? > > Because it's (still) very primitive. (The Activity Viewer has essentially no

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-15 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 15 May 2015, at 2:20, Thomas Floeren wrote: No matter which mail client or mail box, I’m moving *out* messages older than 12 months, either to the folder of the project they are related to, or otherwise to my generic mail archive on disk. Users preferring this kind of setup are going to ap

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-15 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 15 May 2015, at 9:16, Patrik Fältström wrote: (*) Why do the activity viewer always scroll to the top, even though latest information is at the bottom? Because it's (still) very primitive. (The Activity Viewer has essentially not been improved since I implemented it.) -- Benny __

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-15 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 14 May 2015, at 18:57, Helen Holzgrafe wrote: Perhaps it would be good if Mailmate could do better detecting/handling corrupt import files. You are welcome to send me an example file off list. I'm not sure exactly what happens here, but it does sound like MailMate could handle it better.

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-15 Thread Muster Hans
On 15 May 2015, at 5:04, Thomas Floeren wrote: On 15 May 2015, at 2:55, Christian Hopps wrote: Multi-system cross-platform access and searching. My imap-email has been my "cloud" like storage for a lot longer than the phrase "store it in cloud" has existed. :) Hmm. For this purpose I stil

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-15 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 15 May 2015, at 5:04, Thomas Floeren wrote: > For this purpose I still would rather keep my mail box tiny (current & recent > stuff) This is what I use virtual mailboxes for. I.e. I almost only work on virtual mailboxes (that are small) which are views into the heaps of swampspace that the

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-15 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 14 May 2015, at 18:35, Helen Holzgrafe wrote: > I solved this by never moving more than one mailbox folder at a time (not > account, not mail box, but folder). If a folder was more than about a 1000 > messages I broke that up even smaller. That allowed me to get everything > moved over. Can

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Billy Youdelman
On 14 May 2015, at 18:20, Kee Hinckley wrote: I used to have most of it in local mailboxes. But when I switch to mailmate, I uploaded it all to the IMAP server. Which has the added benefit of giving me both a local copy and an off-site backup. After shutting down the VMS cluster, where I used

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Christian Hopps
Thomas Floeren writes: >> On 15 May 2015, at 2:55, Christian Hopps wrote: >> >> Multi-system cross-platform access and searching. >> >> My imap-email has been my "cloud" like storage for a lot longer than the >> phrase "store it in cloud" has existed. :) > > Hmm. For this purpose I still would

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Thomas Floeren
> On 15 May 2015, at 2:55, Christian Hopps wrote: > > Multi-system cross-platform access and searching. > > My imap-email has been my "cloud" like storage for a lot longer than the > phrase "store it in cloud" has existed. :) Hmm. For this purpose I still would rather keep my mail box tiny (cu

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Thomas Floeren
> On 15 May 2015, at 3:20, Kee Hinckley wrote: > > I'd have mail going back to 83 of it weren't for a disk crash in the late > 80's. I don't keep all my incoming mail, but I do keep all my outbound mail. > > I frequently use it for when I run across someone whose name sounds familiar. > Like

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Kee Hinckley
> On May 14, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Thomas Floeren wrote: > > What is the advantage of storing tens of thousands of years-old mails in the > database of the email client, or in an imap box? I'd have mail going back to 83 of it weren't for a disk crash in the late 80's. I don't keep all my incoming

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Christian Hopps
Thomas Floeren writes: >> On 13 May 2015, at 18:12, Joe Abley wrote: >> >> somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something >> like 25,000 in the combined inbox [...] > I rarely have the need to reply to a mail older than 1 year, and when > it really happens I can easil

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Thomas Floeren
> On 13 May 2015, at 18:12, Joe Abley wrote: > > somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something like > 25,000 in the combined inbox Holy cow, I’m seriously impressed! I’ve never, not even remotely, thought of using my mail client (or an imap box for the matter) as a

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Helen Holzgrafe
Oh! I wish I had known about these... -Helen On 14 May 2015, at 10:40, Marco Carmosino wrote: Do these programs (thunderbird etc) store messages in mbox format? If so, piping the mbox files in and out of the "formail" program (part of procmail, it forces messages into mbox format using some h

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Marco Carmosino
Do these programs (thunderbird etc) store messages in mbox format? If so, piping the mbox files in and out of the "formail" program (part of procmail, it forces messages into mbox format using some heuristics) can fix at least some, perhaps even most corruption. Then, you can diff the formail o

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Helen Holzgrafe
Following up on my last message: When I got the endless sync problem when moving a folder, here is the only thing that worked to keep going: Force quit Mailmate. Restart Mailmate. Remove completely the folder in question. Quit Mailmate again (this is crucial for some reason). Restart Mailmat

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Helen Holzgrafe
I just saw this thread and I have had the same problem with endless synchronizing while transitioning. I was using Postbox, but it is very similar to Thunderbird (I believe from the same base source code). I had 20+ years of mail, more than 350,000 messages and three accounts. I solved this

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread James Galvin
On 5/14/15 7:35 AM, Annamarie wrote: How difficult would it be to simply start using MM fresh? Leave all those messages in the apps where they are now? Go reference them when you need them - I realize that building an address list might take a bit of time but maybe cumulatively not as much time

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Annamarie
Hey Jim, How difficult would it be to simply start using MM fresh? Leave all those messages in the apps where they are now? Go reference them when you need them - I realize that building an address list might take a bit of time but maybe cumulatively not as much time as you've already spent t

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-14 Thread Lars Fischer
MailMate also work for me with 1.8M messages, three IMAP accounts etc. But not more than I think 30k messages in one mailbox. I do not have the issues you describe either :-( Ditto. I switched from Thunderbird in the past week, I’ve imported all my mail and haven’t had a hitch. Not quite th

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 13 May 2015, at 22:10, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 13 May 2015, at 18:42, Patrik Fältström wrote: > > >> MailMate also work for me with 1.8M messages, three IMAP accounts etc. But >> not more than I think 30k messages in one mailbox. > > The bottleneck is the total number of messages -- and

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13 May 2015, at 16:07, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 13 May 2015, at 18:12, Joe Abley wrote: > >> I use MailMate with gmail and IMAP mailboxes, five accounts total, with >> somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something >> like 25,000 in the combined inbox. > > I'

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 13 May 2015, at 18:42, Patrik Fältström wrote: MailMate also work for me with 1.8M messages, three IMAP accounts etc. But not more than I think 30k messages in one mailbox. The bottleneck is the total number of messages -- and you would still have 1.8M messages (or near that) in the virtua

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread Joshua Kehn
Granted I like being a digital pack-rat as much as the next person but I can't be the only person to believe that Gmail's “save every email you've ever been sent” idea is a horrible default. --jk On 13 May 2015, at 16:07, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 13 May 2015, at 18:12, Joe Abley wrote:

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 13 May 2015, at 18:12, Joe Abley wrote: I use MailMate with gmail and IMAP mailboxes, five accounts total, with somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something like 25,000 in the combined inbox. I'm pretty sure MailMate cannot handle 5 million messages. I suspect

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread James Galvin
On 5/13/15 12:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote: MailMate also work for me with 1.8M messages, three IMAP accounts etc. But not more than I think 30k messages in one mailbox. I should clarify that by "mailbox" I meant the total IMAP account when I said 100,000 vs 15,000 messages. Regarding

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread James Galvin
On 5/13/15 12:34 PM, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 13 May 2015, at 18:26, James Galvin wrote: I'm wondering if there's something in a message or folder in the one account that sets it off. However, I don't know how to find this. I'll contact you off list later tonight. I'm a bit busy right

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread Patrik Fältström
MailMate also work for me with 1.8M messages, three IMAP accounts etc. But not more than I think 30k messages in one mailbox. I do not have the issues you describe either :-( But, I do not use GMail. Just plain pure IMAP. Specifically, MailMate has never crashed. Regarding the columns, I have

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen
On 13 May 2015, at 18:26, James Galvin wrote: I'm wondering if there's something in a message or folder in the one account that sets it off. However, I don't know how to find this. I'll contact you off list later tonight. I'm a bit busy right now (different time zone), but I'd certainly want

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread James Galvin
I can't use Mail anymore because MacOS broke it when they tried to get smart with GMail. I otherwise found Mail tolerable in the same way I find Thunderbird tolerable now. I'm running Yosemite 10.10.2 on this laptop, which is otherwise a 13" MacBook straight from the factory. A few applicati

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread Barton Lipman
I don't have the same size account as Joe, but will second his endorsement. I was also using Mail.app and found it way too slow. I've never had the kind of problems with MailMate you describe and think there must be something wrong in your configuration or some process that's interfering in s

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread James Galvin
Hi Joe! I hear you! I'm as surprised as you are, especially given that it worked perfectly with the one account. I'm wondering if there's something in a message or folder in the one account that sets it off. However, I don't know how to find this. Jim On 5/13/15 12:12 PM, Joe Abley wro

Re: [MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Jim! I use MailMate with gmail and IMAP mailboxes, five accounts total, with somewhere in the region of 5 million messages between them and something like 25,000 in the combined inbox. I have experienced none of the problems you describe. I mention this not to call you a liar :-) but rather

[MlMt] giving up - MailMate crash - won't synchronize

2015-05-13 Thread James Galvin
I have spent almost 3 weeks trying to migrate to MailMate but unfortunately there is something wrong. This past weekend I submitted several crash dumps, just in case anyone here can check those. Sending a message here is my last hope so here goes. 1. I use Thunderbird now. It works for me j