I think that the best way to approach this with people who don't actually use
braille is to give concrete examples of what you cannot now do with the braille
and what you want to do with it. Then if possible explain something about how
that would work or how it can be done. Even with people who
Hi!
For me i want voiceover to have better braille support.
But i don't know how to describe it so people can understand it.
/A
18 aug 2014 kl. 19:59 skrev The Believer :
> Are you wanting full braille access without VO involved at all? Perhaps I
> am pragmatic about this as I take advantage of
Hi!
Well you can access it but the braille support is not as great as for example
in jaws or window eyes.
THe best screenreader i've seen is infact cobra for windows and orca or brltty
for linux.
Theycan be used without speech.
/A
18 aug 2014 kl. 19:24 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
> When it's mu
Hmmm. I don't fail to acknowledge, I just don't think it's a very good excuse.
:)
I do understand what you're saying, and I'm happy in my own way with my chosen
path for all the reasons many listers on here can share, but braille support
has been here since Snow Leopard. It has not been subst
While I realize that braille on the Mac still has plenty of room for
improvement, i am still glad to have it. For one thing, to say that it is
behind "even" compared to other graphical screenreaders fails to acknowledge
that most of the other screenreaders have been under development for years a
Are you wanting full braille access without VO involved at all?
Perhaps I am pragmatic about this as I take advantage of what I have. It
may be I do not realize what I am not missing. :)
From The Believer. . .
What if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 8/18/2014 10:24 AM, Sabahatt
When it's muted. It can't be completely off.
Different displays will be different for convenient access from the display
itself, but you can still (I would argue, inconveniently) access VoiceOver from
the keyboard while using braille, no matter the display. Ditto for the
trackpad, if you have
Maybe I am missing the target here. Are you talking about when VO is
disabled, or muted?
From The Believer. . .
What if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
On 8/18/2014 8:34 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
Hi!
I can't.
You have to have speech turned on!
I have tried to explain that when i
Hi!
I can't.
You have to have speech turned on!
I have tried to explain that when i wrote to the accessibility team but i am
not sure they'll understand.
Or listen.
/A
17 aug 2014 kl. 19:44 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
> I'm just not happy with VoiceOver's braille support for a variety of reasons
Cheryl,
I always mute the speech while using braille. I have always done this with any
screen reader whilest using braille. It's just too distracting!
Cait
On Aug 16, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> Well, not all of us in the US have that speech preference. Having worked with
> brl
I can't use my Focus 40 blue via the Mac by Bluetooth as it's been broken with
Mavericks on it. I hope IOS fixes that problem.
Kawal.
> On 17 Aug 2014, at 12:09 am, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
>
> You can and I keep promising to put out an update but never get around to it.
> Also, when a new OS com
You are right there. If only they took Braille seriously on the Mac. That's why
I use my Braille display on my I phone although I'd really like to use it on
the Mac as I have two displays as I wanted to use the 40 on the Mac and the 14
which I use on my I phone.
Kawal.
> On 16 Aug 2014, at 05:
I'm just not happy with VoiceOver's braille support for a variety of reasons
which I've restated many times on here. It's behind even the other graphical
screen readers.
But you don't have to take my word for it, just perform this simple test: turn
speech off. Can you manage with braille only?
You can and I keep promising to put out an update but never get around to it.
Also, when a new OS comes out, something usually breaks. For instance, in
Mavericks I can use my braille edge but input from the keyboard and some other
things don't work.
> On Aug 16, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Devin Prater
I would rather be able to use the braille display only but this isn't always
possible. for instance, there is no double-tap-and-hold equivalent for the
braille display as far as I know. Also, sometimes if I lose my place as to
where my cursor is, doing a quick arrow with my bluetooth keyboard wh
Oh, you can use brailletty in the terminal? How can that be done?
> On Aug 16, 2014, at 17:52, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
>
> Well, not all of us in the US have that speech preference. Having worked with
> brltty in linux and in terminal on the Mac for years, admittedly mostly
> command-line as I n
Well, not all of us in the US have that speech preference. Having worked with
brltty in linux and in terminal on the Mac for years, admittedly mostly
command-line as I never got much into Orca or other linux guy screenreader, I
would rather the braille didn't just echo the speech. I frankly find
Hi!
Your english is better than mine and you're better to describe than me.
But you're totally right.
/A
16 aug 2014 kl. 19:07 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> Hi,
> Without knowing any details, i suspect that this has to do in different ways
> of working with Braille. We europeans are used to a mor ind
This is exactly how I view the use of a braille display connected to
OS X, iOS or Windows. Its fine to take one's hands off the braille
keyboard to interact directly with the connected system but in my
limited experience to date, I can do it all from my braille display.
For some of us wi
Um.. Can you explain this more?
I think you should be able to go anywhere a sighted preson can go on the
screen, etc. I also think that navigating with the display, if it has an input
keyboard, should be possible with as little interaction with the print keyboard
as possible, so that you can j
Hi,
Without knowing any details, i suspect that this has to do in different ways of
working with Braille. We europeans are used to a mor independent braille
cursor, so to speak. We like to work with braille as a should we call it free
entity for lack of a better word. The Americans however are u
Hi!
Actually i do not like the support of braille that much.
Its quite limited and sadly they seem to not understand this on the
accessibility team.
/A
15 aug 2014 kl. 15:07 skrev Jack and Becky :
> Greeting Folks! I am a brand spanking new Mac user. Just starting hfind my
> way about on it. I
Hi Jack,
You wil find the settings for braille in the voice over utility. Hit control
option f8. This will take you to the vo utility. After that, go down the
table til you find braille. In the braille settings, you can set things up as
you like.
>From your description of the dots along th
What Erik has written is much more thorough and clear than what I have written
below but since there are a few things he didn't say and I don't want to take
the time to edit, I will send this as is. If in doubt, defer to what Erik has
written. Others have also perhaps posted while I was working
Hi Jack,
To reach braille settings on your mac, press control option f8 to open the
voiceover utility. Then press b for braille.
The dots 7 and 8 you feel at the bottom of your display indicate that the text
on the display is highlighted. For example, you may be reading a paragraph on
a web
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