Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-14 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
For what it’s worth, I have dealt with Apple’s security team; on one occasion I was very unimpressed by the response and ended up disclosing to the public one month after the deadline I’d given Apple (sixty days) and on the other occasion I got a straight and immediate reply confirming the behav

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Scott Granados
I would agree, take the case of I believe it was United airlines. Someone found a vulnerability in their systems and received a million frequent flyer miles in return. A lot of times people get jobs out of these discoveries and are placed in some sort of security consulting position. > On A

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
ge- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shaf Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:53 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits That's good for you. A wealthy company such as Apple

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Generally they do actually pay people who find security problems or payment can be worked out. But finding exploits isn't as easy as tweaking a setting here or there, it takes a lot of work. Usually when you do it there's other reasons behind it--being

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
Of Shaf Sent: >> Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:53 To: >> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't >> freak out about scary sounding exploits >> >> That's good for you. A wealthy company such as Apple should pay >> those who f

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Shaf
@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shaf > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:53 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits > > That's good for you. A wealthy company such

RE: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread george b
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shaf Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:53 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits That's good for you. A wealthy company such as Apple should pay those who find security holes and repo

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Shaf
That's good for you. A wealthy company such as Apple should pay those who find security holes and report to them. On 8/13/2015 7:36 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > Hello: A lot of companies do have bounties like this. For example, > the company I worked for works on Drupal. There was a bounty > of

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello: A lot of companies do have bounties like this. For example, the company I worked for works on Drupal. There was a bounty offered through the association. I report stuff like this I find when it is a problem, not because I want to get paid but be

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Scott Granados
Chris you’re right of course. This is the general way it’s done. Someone finds an exploit, submits to the company and depending on how they react and if they take it seriously or not determines your next steps. I’m with the original author though, I think most of this is noise and designed to

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Shaf
Why should I tell Apple of exploits if they don't pay me?? They should introduce a bug bounty program. Otherwise I have no interest in keeping their bugs confidential. On 8/13/2015 7:10 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote: > With the complexity of OSX and iOS I think if somebody figures o

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
With the complexity of OSX and iOS I think if somebody figures out the right combination of tweaks to bypass security they should tell Apple right away and hold off a bit before telling the world. At least give them a chance to fix it before giving a free hand up to the bad guys. Of course that

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Shaf
Absolutely +1 this. On 8/13/2015 6:21 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > I don’t agree with the author. Of course, this is MacWorld—some amount of > Apple butt-kissing is to be expected—but I find his attitude very worrying. > > First, “Responsible disclosure” vs “Full disclosure” is a choice of

Re: Why you shouldn't freak out about scary sounding exploits

2015-08-13 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
I don’t agree with the author. Of course, this is MacWorld—some amount of Apple butt-kissing is to be expected—but I find his attitude very worrying. First, “Responsible disclosure” vs “Full disclosure” is a choice of researchers, and privileged authors of the press shouldn’t be using their pe