Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-09-04 Thread Nicholas Parsons
So long as the column didn't contain data which was referenced by a formula somewhere else in your spreadsheet, that would work fine. But if there is a formula somewhere referring to the data in that column, then that formula will no longer be able to get the data once you copy, paste and delete

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-09-01 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there I have done this by inserting a column where I want the new one to go. Then copied or cut the column I want to move, then deleted the column that I don't need any more. To me, that's easier, and it doesn't take long either. Regards, Gigi On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Phil Halton wr

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-29 Thread Phil Halton
I'll have to re-read that when my head clears a bit. You could make a living as a flimflam artist with that patter. On Aug 29, 2014, at 1:25 AM, Nicholas Parsons wrote: > Phil, > It actually makes sense when you think about it. Say you have a cell in table > 2, say cell A1, which references a

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-28 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Bary, Agree completely. There's often so many variables and things that can go wrong that it's very difficult to explain how to do things via email. However, just knowing that you're not wasting time by trying is often valuable enough, and then if you're persistent enough and are told how it sho

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-28 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Phil, It actually makes sense when you think about it. Say you have a cell in table 2, say cell A1, which references a column in another table, say column 1 of table 1. Now whether or not our cell A1 of table 2 uses absolute or relative references, if you were to copy column 1 of table one, past

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-09 Thread Barry Hadder
Hey Nicholas. Glad you were able to make that work. I knew you would if you stuck with it. That's just what it takes some times, and on OS X you can get rewarded for it more often than not. I didn't feel I was able to help much more than throw out a bunch of suggestions, but it sounds like th

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-09 Thread Phil Halton
how about that! That's strange and makes very little sense to me. It kind of undercuts the whole concept of relative and absolute addressing, and implies that numbers is correcting for the addressing depending on the method of moving involved. Oh well, good to know, thanks. On Aug 9, 2014, at 1

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-08 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi Phil, With respect, I think you're wrong. I experimented by creating the same formula referencing the same data table, with one version using relative references and a second version using absolute references. When I moved one of the data columns with the mouse method, both formulas continue

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-08 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi Barry, I finally got it to work. Thanks, Barry, for your help and patients! First of all I got it to work in a different spreadsheet, after first rearranging the tables and ensuring none of the tables were overlapping. Then I tried it in the original spreadsheet I was working with. At first

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-08 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Anders, You can move the mouse with any device that allows a person to move the mouse pointer. I use the track pad on my MBA. However, there is also Mouse keys which you configure in System preferences/Accessibility. Once configured, you press the Option key 5 times and you can then move

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-08 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Just a question which might be stupid but can you use a magic mouse or other with voiceover? Or how do you move the mouse? /A 8 aug 2014 kl. 09:55 skrev Barry Hadder : > Some tabs are the letter indexes and some are the headings. I don't think > that matters though. It's just a miner bug t

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-08 Thread Phil Halton
Regardless of the method you used to move a column, the formulas contained there in will be affected. The addressing method holds whether you copy and paste the formula or whether you drag-and-drop it, or whether you use some other method. Regardless of how you move it, if there is relative or a

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-08 Thread Barry Hadder
Some tabs are the letter indexes and some are the headings. I don't think that matters though. It's just a miner bug that doesn't seem to affect anything. The mouse should read what the voiceover cursor reads in the reference tabs. I don't think that the mouse is moving to the tabs for whateve

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-07 Thread Nicholas Parsons
After checking VO Utility turns out I didn't have the mouse pointer following the VO cursor. I changed this so now it is. I checked and the magnification was set to 1. I tried again but still got the same result with the mouse down opening the menu. When you bring the mouse pointer to the colu

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-07 Thread Barry Hadder
Well, unfortunately it sounds to me like you are doing everything right. I've noticed the funk sound myself and it doesn't seem to matter. I've tried it myself in full screen and regular and both with mouse following vo and not but all with the same results. I just can't make it fail. If you

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-07 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi Barry, In that case I did understand you correctly. Yes, I routed the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-command-F5 before pressing mouse down (even though this is often not necessary when I have the mouse pointer to always follow the VO cursor). I also tried bringing the active window to front

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-07 Thread Barry Hadder
Hello Nicholas. After you selected the tab with vo-space, did you route the mouse to vo with vo-command-f5? You want to do that before you lock the mouse. That is the only reason I can come up with as to why the menu was activated. You might try hiding any other open windows with command-optio

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-07 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi Barry and Phil, Thanks both for your help. Barry, your tip of first VO-spacing on the column reference tab took me further than I had gotten before, but still no success. The results were a bit flaky. I'm not sure I exactly understood your instructions. After VO-spacing on the column refere

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-07 Thread Phil Halton
A simpler method would be to simply copy the column, then insert a new column where you want the data, and then do a paste. Move to the top of the column, then do a shift command down arrow to select the entire column. Then do an option right arrow at the column after which you want the data to

Re: Moving Columns in Numbers

2014-08-06 Thread Barry Hadder
In the column reference tab, move vo to the column you want to move and select it with vo-space. Then route the mouse and move vo to the position you want to move to and release the mouse. You should hear vo announce something to the affect that column was move to position of some other column