Re: Solution (almost certainly): postfix fails to launch at boot

2020-01-11 Thread daniel Azuelos
[ My questions and answers are in the normal reading order. ] On 11/01/2020, Gerben Wierda wrote : [...] | It is not necessary as the cause has (probably) been found. | | macOS still contains a postfix and it is launched at boot time during 60 seconds with a launchdaemon plist /System/Library

Re: Solution (almost certainly): postfix fails to launch at boot

2020-01-11 Thread Gerben Wierda
This might break things as some Apple stuff may rely on /usr/sbin/sendmail being able to deliver mail. Not certain, though. It might be a simple solution. G > On 11 Jan 2020, at 12:17, daniel Azuelos wrote: > > [ My questions and answers are in the normal reading order. ] > > On 11/01/2020,

Re: Solution (almost certainly): postfix fails to launch at boot

2020-01-11 Thread Bill Cole
On 11 Jan 2020, at 12:17, Gerben Wierda wrote: This might break things as some Apple stuff may rely on /usr/sbin/sendmail being able to deliver mail. Indeed it does. As does anything Unixy which is not explicitly configured to look elsewhere, e.g. cron. Not certain, though. It might be a

Re: Solution (almost certainly): postfix fails to launch at boot

2020-01-11 Thread Steven Smith
Thank you very much for troubleshooting this issue. First, as Gerben points out, macOS‘s postfix launch daemon is in /System/Library, so you’d have to disable SIP to unload it, which at best is a major PITA, and realistically a non-option. Second, I see these two possible fixes: • Include a l

Re: Solution (almost certainly): postfix fails to launch at boot

2020-01-11 Thread Gerben Wierda
> On 11 Jan 2020, at 19:32, Steven Smith wrote: > > Second, I see these two possible fixes: > > • Include a little bash script in the postfix launch daemon that tests for > macOS postfix being loaded, or port 25 in use, then wait a bit, and try a few > times before giving up. I do this hack

Re: Solution (almost certainly): postfix fails to launch at boot

2020-01-11 Thread Gerben Wierda
It was Bill Cole who gave the answer on postfix users. G > On 11 Jan 2020, at 19:32, Steven Smith wrote: > > Thank you very much for troubleshooting this issue.

Re: Solution (almost certainly): postfix fails to launch at boot

2020-01-11 Thread Bill Cole
On 11 Jan 2020, at 13:32, Steven Smith wrote: • Edit /etc/postfix/master.cf as Gerben suggests. My concern about the second option is that it will never give the macOS postfix a chance to do what it wants to do a boot time That gives Apple too much credit, e.g. assumes that someone competent

Re: Solution (almost certainly): postfix fails to launch at boot

2020-01-11 Thread Gerben Wierda
> On 11 Jan 2020, at 22:08, Bill Cole > wrote: > > That should not matter, because 10.14+ (Mojave & Catalina) are entirely unfit > for and hostile to server duties. The best answer to the question "How do I > make Postfix work well on modern macOS?" is simply: "You don't.” Though I heartily