Re: Registerhaltigkeit

2005-03-10 Thread William F. Adams
On Mar 10, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Jack M. Lyon wrote: G. Milde wrote: I realized, that a package will not work properly, as Registerhaltigkeit requires a change in the working of the TeX core regarding the computation of the vertical layout.) Nevertheless, ConTeXt, which is built on top of TeX

RE: Registerhaltigkeit

2005-03-10 Thread Jack M. Lyon
G. Milde wrote: > I realized, that a package will not work properly, as > Registerhaltigkeit > requires a change in the working of the TeX core regarding > the computation of > the vertical layout.) Nevertheless, ConTeXt, which is built on top of TeX, includes this functionalit

Re: Registerhaltigkeit

2005-03-10 Thread G. Milde
e day in not too distant future) I realized, that a package will not work properly, as Registerhaltigkeit requires a change in the working of the TeX core regarding the computation of the vertical layout.) Günter -- G.Milde web.de

Re: Registerhaltigkeit

2005-03-09 Thread Herbert Voss
G. Milde wrote: Rather than a class, I would like to see a registerhaltig.sty package, that could be used with all sorts of classes. latex3 will have it in the kernel (hopefully) Herbert -- http://TeXnik.de/ http://PSTricks.de/ ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/info/math/voss/Voss-Mathmode.pdf http://

Re: Registerhaltigkeit

2005-03-09 Thread G. Milde
On 8.03.05, Helge Hafting wrote: > Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > >Juergen Spitzmueller writes: > > > After seeing the example, I wonder why someone would want this > "registerhaltigkeit" in the general case. (Sure, there might be special > cases I can't think of.)

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-08 Thread Charles de Miramon
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > > I _think_ that the most common special case is/was with books produced > using thinner papers. Paper used in books can be more or less translucent > and lines of text on the reverse side or on the next sheet are less > disruptive when hidden directly behind the lines of

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-08 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Helge Hafting writes: > After seeing the example, I wonder why someone would want > this "registerhaltigkeit" in the general case. (Sure, there might > be special cases I can't think of.) I _think_ that the most common special case is/was with books produced using thinn

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-08 Thread Helge Hafting
aphs. After seeing the example, I wonder why someone would want this "registerhaltigkeit" in the general case. (Sure, there might be special cases I can't think of.) In a book, you read one page at a time, one column at a time. Therefore, it doesn't matter if the adjacen

Re: [OT] Registerhaltigkeit - English term?

2005-03-04 Thread Herbert Voss
Charles de Miramon wrote: Is it possible to make the vertical space of a header (margin before header + header + margin after header) a multiple of the basic line vertical space to keep on the grid ? I've just read in the LaTeX Companion that there is a "bottom" option in the footmisc package use

Re: [OT] Registerhaltigkeit - English term?

2005-03-03 Thread Charles de Miramon
Herbert Voss wrote: >> \raggedbottom > > it doesn't help, when you have for example a section > header on one side ... > > Herbert > Is it possible to make the vertical space of a header (margin before header + header + margin after header) a multiple of the basic line vertical space to keep on

Re: [OT] Registerhaltigkeit - English term?

2005-03-03 Thread Herbert Voss
Jack M. Lyon wrote: Jürgen wrote: Basically, it is a question about Scylla or Charybdis. With some tweaking (i.e. switching off the rubber lenghts), you can even get LaTeX to get close to "Registerhaltigkeit", but then you'll lose the harmonic page design and the intellige

RE: [OT] Registerhaltigkeit - English term?

2005-03-03 Thread Jack M. Lyon
ITORIUM Microsoft Word Add-Ins for Publishing Professionals http://www.editorium.com ___ > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Pfeiffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:52 AM > To: lyx-users@list

[OT] Registerhaltigkeit - English term?

2005-03-03 Thread Jack M. Lyon
Jürgen wrote: > Basically, it is a question about Scylla or Charybdis. With > some tweaking > (i.e. switching off the rubber lenghts), you can even get > LaTeX to get close > to "Registerhaltigkeit", but then you'll lose the harmonic > page design and > t

[OT] Registerhaltigkeit - English term?

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Juergen Spitzmueller writes: > [1] The con, though, is that LaTeX cannot handle what German > typographers call "Registerhaltigkeit" (i.e. that the lines on each > page [recto and verso] are all vertically aligned the same). The best English equivalent I've found for thi

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Juergen Spitzmueller writes: > As I said, you might get close with lots of tweaking. But IMHO the loss > is greater than the gain. No, I don't mean at the user level, but as an option (programmed in, so to speak), so that within the limits this requires, that all other aspects of page control, c

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > It seems to me (in my naivety) that this is just a matter of granularity > --- rounding certain values such that the vertical starting position of > all new body text paragraphs maintains this "line grid". But you say that > in LaTeX it's not possible (therefore also not wit

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Juergen Spitzmueller writes: > With some tweaking > (i.e. switching off the rubber lenghts), you can even > get LaTeX to get close to "Registerhaltigkeit", but then > you'll lose the harmonic page design and > the intelligent widow/orphan handling, for that

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
hence my question as to frequency. Basically, it is a question about Scylla or Charybdis. With some tweaking (i.e. switching off the rubber lenghts), you can even get LaTeX to get close to "Registerhaltigkeit", but then you'll lose the harmonic page design and the intelligent widow/orphan handling, for that matter. Jürgen

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
harmonic" page layout, but makes > "Registerhaltigkeit" impossible. There might be other reasons too, > maybe even technical restrictions, but I'm not sure. This strikes me as a sort of "grid alignment" based on the leading/linespacing of the body text.

Re: Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
why not? AFAIK, it's a decision by design. LaTeX uses "rubber lengths", i.e. it shrinks and extracts the vertical spaces (between paragraphs, after and before the headings an so on) to fill the page consistently. This results in a quite "harmonic" page layout, but makes

Registerhaltigkeit [Was Re: selling lyx part 2]

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Juergen Spitzmueller writes: > [1] The con, though, is that LaTeX cannot handle what German > typographers call "Registerhaltigkeit" (i.e. that the lines on each > page [recto and verso] are all vertically aligned the same). Can you explain this further? Do you mean that t