Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-27 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > The manuals mostly uses InsetInfo for the icons so they will get updated > automatically... BTW some icons which are not bound to lfuns cannot be represented by InsetInfo AFAICS. E.g. view-others. Jürgen

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-26 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:06:26PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 25/03/11 21:48, Enrico Forestieri a écrit : > >>No problems here. Did you try a clean user directory? Perhaps > >>there's still some session info left. > > > >Nope, no changes moving away the user dir and letting LyX recrea

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 25/03/11 21:48, Enrico Forestieri a écrit : No problems here. Did you try a clean user directory? Perhaps there's still some session info left. Nope, no changes moving away the user dir and letting LyX recreate it. This occurs when launching LyX without any document open, otherwise it seems

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-26 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > It uses also screenshots. Actually, this whole icon set discussion was > > the reason why I did not yet start to document the default output format > > and master view/update features. Since the UG uses a screenshot of the > > current view/update toolbar. > > This one

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 26/03/2011 09:58, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: The manuals mostly uses InsetInfo for the icons so they will get updated automatically... It uses also screenshots. Actually, this whole icon set discussion was the reason why I did not yet start to document the default out

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-26 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > The manuals mostly uses InsetInfo for the icons so they will get updated > automatically... It uses also screenshots. Actually, this whole icon set discussion was the reason why I did not yet start to document the default output format and master view/update features.

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-26 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
On 25/03/2011 21:42, Enrico Forestieri wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 05:46:08PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: "Enrico Forestieri" wrote in message news:20110325143448.ge29...@sirio.sssup.it... I don't agree. As you can see, additional icon sets may simply subsitute some icons. If an icon is mi

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
OK, it seems most of us think that the toolbar changes are a bit too sensitive. Even Joost agrees that there is some post-2.0 code needed. And I tend to agree that we shouldn't change the UI twice. On the other hand. I really like the new Libre icons, I would like to have them as the default.

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 05:33:22PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: > "Enrico Forestieri" wrote in message > news:20110325162427.gn29...@sirio.sssup.it... > >Hmmm... the artifacts are now gone, but the toolbars are still > >unrensposive. > > No problems here. Did you try a clean user directory? Perha

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 05:46:08PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: > "Enrico Forestieri" wrote in message > news:20110325143448.ge29...@sirio.sssup.it... > >I don't agree. As you can see, additional icon sets may simply subsitute > >some icons. If an icon is missing, the one from the default set will

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: > Why is this post-2.0 stuff. This is not so difficult ? It's not a matter of difficulty. It's a matter of sane release principles. My point is that we should respect the release cycles, and a release candidate is a release candidate. UI changes might look "trivia

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Joost Verburg
"Vincent van Ravesteijn" wrote in message news:4d8cd11d.8000...@lyx.org... Why is this post-2.0 stuff. This is not so difficult ? I think Jurgen's concern is the RC status. As a final suggestion for 2.0: Maybe the UI file could be linked to an icon directory (instead of the preferences which

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
Now having the same item twice (even if one toolbar can be disabled) is *really* bad UI design. A better idea would be to introduce OptItem for the toolbar to let the master-buffer-* items disappear if the document in question is no child. But this is all post-2.0 stuff. Why is this post-2.0

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Joost Verburg
"Jürgen Spitzmüller" wrote in message news:201103251812.22547.sp...@lyx.org... The whole thing is not for 2.0. Bad luck. People had two years time to come up with UI proposals. Perhaps it's better to postpone all the UI stuff to a future release. It seems like discussions with a bit of contro

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Joost Verburg wrote: > The alternative is to keep the current ad-hoc design with e.g. thesaurus > next to paragraphs settings. Yes, that's exactly what I'm opting for. > New code will allow for more improvements, however that's definitely is > not for 2.0. The whole thing is not for 2.0. Bad l

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Joost Verburg
"Jürgen Spitzmüller" wrote in message news:201103251748.53062.sp...@lyx.org... Now having the same item twice (even if one toolbar can be disabled) is *really* bad UI design. A better idea would be to introduce OptItem for the toolbar to let the master-buffer-* items disappear if the document i

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Joost Verburg wrote: > > Yep, that did the trick. However, it is going to surprise many people. > > BTW, why the "View" button appears twice? Even if it is in two different > > toolbars, they are the default ones. > > Because many users don't need the advanced view/update features. > With the "Vie

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Joost Verburg
"Enrico Forestieri" wrote in message news:20110325143448.ge29...@sirio.sssup.it... I don't agree. As you can see, additional icon sets may simply subsitute some icons. If an icon is missing, the one from the default set will be used. So, there's no maintaining burden as only those icons that don

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Joost Verburg
"Enrico Forestieri" wrote in message news:20110325162427.gn29...@sirio.sssup.it... Hmmm... the artifacts are now gone, but the toolbars are still unrensposive. No problems here. Did you try a clean user directory? Perhaps there's still some session info left. Joost

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Joost Verburg
"Enrico Forestieri" wrote in message news:20110325161616.gm29...@sirio.sssup.it... Yep, that did the trick. However, it is going to surprise many people. BTW, why the "View" button appears twice? Even if it is in two different toolbars, they are the default ones. Because many users don't need

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 05:16:16PM +0100, Enrico Forestieri wrote: > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 04:56:29PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: > > "Enrico Forestieri" wrote in message > > news:20110325142851.gd29...@sirio.sssup.it... > > >On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 01:17:19PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: > > >>W

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 04:56:29PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: > "Enrico Forestieri" wrote in message > news:20110325142851.gd29...@sirio.sssup.it... > >On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 01:17:19PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: > >>Why did you revert this? What was broken? > > > >See attached screen shot. Mor

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Joost Verburg
"Enrico Forestieri" wrote in message news:20110325142851.gd29...@sirio.sssup.it... On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 01:17:19PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: Why did you revert this? What was broken? See attached screen shot. Moreover, the toolbars where unrensposive and only through the main menu I coul

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 04:26:32PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > > Why did you revert this? What was broken? > > > > See attached screen shot. Moreover, the toolbars where unrensposive and > > only through the main menu I could open a new file. > > This is again

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Enrico Forestieri wrote: > > Why did you revert this? What was broken? > > See attached screen shot. Moreover, the toolbars where unrensposive and > only through the main menu I could open a new file. This is again the case here after r38046. Was the stdtoolbars.inc part of that commit intention

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 02:00:07PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: > I also just noticed that you designed a new icon set as well. > If you're happy with the liber icons as default perhaps we should remove the > "old" and "oxygen" icons so there's no need for switching code and multiple > icon sets to

Re: r38037 - lyx-devel/trunk/lib/ui

2011-03-25 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 01:17:19PM +0100, Joost Verburg wrote: > Why did you revert this? What was broken? See attached screen shot. Moreover, the toolbars where unrensposive and only through the main menu I could open a new file. -- Enrico <>