Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-11-05 Thread John Weiss
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:35:57AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: [snip!] > new XMLish .lyx. In order to avoid regressions we'd e.g. need a flawless > .tex -> .lyx -> .tex roundtrip for math, which is easiest achieved by > storing the .tex represantation in the .lyx - at least as a temporary > solut

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-29 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: > The question is, of course, how much .tex will be retained even in the > new XMLish .lyx. In order to avoid regressions we'd e.g. need a flawless > .tex -> .lyx -> .tex roundtrip for math, which is easiest achieved by > storing the .tex represantation

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-29 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 06:27:34AM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > It looks to me that this is totaly independent of the .lyx format, i.e., > if you support .tex natively, conversion to .lyx is not necessary. Anyway, > if one wants to convert .tex to .lyx in this case, opening the .tex an

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-29 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 05:39:58AM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > > On the other hand, implementing latex parsing right inside the lyx kernel > > would save the .lyx format "rendering", so no translation is needed, just > > parsing. Right? >

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 05:39:58AM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > Sorry, I don't understand well what you have said. AFAIK, reLyX should not > touch math, so any latex math expression is already good .lyx code (am I > right?) Not all, but quite a bit of it. Definitely all reLyX was able

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:25:17PM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > > Well, I personally would like .tex integration in the core, but writing > > new code in C++ does not imply that it be inside the kernel. One can have > > a separate executab

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:25:17PM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > > I don't think it is too much work, but there are a few political brakes. > > One camp does not want too tight .tex integration in the core (and rather > > spend the same amount of code on parsing .lyx syntax), the next o

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Andre Poenitz wrote: > I don't think it is too much work, but there are a few political brakes. > One camp does not want too tight .tex integration in the core (and rather > spend the same amount of code on parsing .lyx syntax), the next one thinks > reLyX is cute (especiall

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:41:53AM -0800, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote: > Yeah, I agree with you. What would you suggest for a better approach to > parsing .tex files? Fix the math parser to do the tokenization the same way TeX does and use that. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Kayvan A. Sylvan
> Parsing .tex like this is impossible to get right. Macros do not have to > nest properly. Moreover, it uses fixed values for deliminiters, so this > can't work except for some class of "reasonably well-behaved LaTeX" - and > we have reLyX for this job already. At it seems to have the same broke

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:47:51AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes Andre> wrote: >> Does your patch solve the $a$$b$ problem? Andre> No. Andre> And removing begtranstable/endtranstable does not cut it, even Andre> removing the entry f

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 08:47:28AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Looks pretty sketchy: Furthermore, the project is dead: no commit for 4 months plus, no mailing list. A pity. Especially as we could have converted from the XML output into lyx with XSLT. regards john

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:47:51AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Does your patch solve the $a$$b$ problem? No. And removing begtranstable/endtranstable does not cut it, even removing the entry for $$ does not help. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:15:22AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes Andre> wrote: Should I? >> I think you should, but we may want to ask lars first. Andre> Lars wanted _your_ approval on this one IIRC Is that so? Then I think you

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:15:22AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre> Should I? > > I think you should, but we may want to ask lars first. Lars wanted _your_ approval on this one IIRC Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do th

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:10:33AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes Andre> wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:58:39AM -0200, Joao Luis Andre> Meloni Andre> Assirati wrote: >> >> Sure enough, these "canonical substitutions" must be perform

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:10:33AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre> On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:58:39AM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni > Andre> Assirati wrote: > >> Sure enough, these "canonical substitutions" must be performed, > > Andre> Probably not. The math parser understands $$ nowadays..

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:58:39AM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni Andre> Assirati wrote: >> Sure enough, these "canonical substitutions" must be performed, Andre> Probably not. The math parser understands $$ nowadays... Andre', did you e

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 08:09:49AM +, José Abílio Oliveira Matos wrote: > I have some friends over there (in Germany) and they confirmed me > that it is not yet friday. Actually they have stated clearly that > today is monday. Are you sure that you are in the correct time frame? Yes, I have

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-28 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:33:23AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: [...] > > I don't think it is too much work, but there are a few political brakes. > One camp does not want too tight .tex integration in the core (and rather > spend the same amount of code on parsing .lyx syntax), the next one thinks

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 03:45:07PM -0800, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote: > Check out http://pylatex.sourceforge.net for all the documentation > and the pylatex source. Looks pretty sketchy: - amsmath:py -- from pyLaTeX.XML.lib.Mathematics import eqnarray class align(eqnarray):

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:58:39AM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > Sure enough, these "canonical substitutions" must be performed, Probably not. The math parser understands $$ nowadays... > but making > them in a separate phase before parsing (as relyx does) seems to be a > totaly wrong

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-27 Thread Kayvan A. Sylvan
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 10:53:34PM +0200, Dekel Tsur wrote: > On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 12:37:39PM -0800, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote: > > > > > > I think Kayvan wants to write a relyx in python > > > > > > > Yes. > > You mentioned pylatex some time ago. Is it any good ? I think it is a good base. Wi

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-27 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 12:37:39PM -0800, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote: > > > > I think Kayvan wants to write a relyx in python > > > > Yes. You mentioned pylatex some time ago. Is it any good ?

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-27 Thread Kayvan A. Sylvan
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 06:45:52PM +, John Levon wrote: > On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:58:39AM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > > > Considering that now there is support for regular expressions in C++, > > complete rewrite of reLyX in C++ is also a good option. Is there someone > > work

Re: Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-27 Thread John Levon
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:58:39AM -0200, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > Considering that now there is support for regular expressions in C++, > complete rewrite of reLyX in C++ is also a good option. Is there someone > working on this? Or at least planning to work? If so, I would like to > pa

Whining about reLyX.

2002-10-27 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
Hi, I recently found a bug in reLyX that I think is related to th infamous underscore bug in labels: reLyX simply crash if you have two inline maths not separed by any character, like $a$$b$ (wich is somewat common in .tex files generated by scientific workplace). Latex understands this as two in