Re: Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-26 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 09:02:26AM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > Well, I considered writing it "properly but without switching the keymap", That's what the Compose key is good for. Compose-"-u gives a nice ü. Andre'

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-26 Thread Kuba Ober
On Friday 26 March 2004 04:51 am, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Kuba Ober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | On Thursday 25 March 2004 06:05 am, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > >> > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> >> | > >> >> | Good remark. In this light it actually looks o

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-26 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 09:19:49AM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Anyway, along the same thinking, you could imagine that pressing > | Arrow-Left twice quickly would do a 'word-left' and so on. Perhaps a > | better example would be that

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-26 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Kuba Ober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Thursday 25 March 2004 06:05 am, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> | >> >> | Good remark. In this light it actually looks ok. >> >> >> >> OTOH, do we want it to be that easy to do non-logical m

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-25 Thread Kuba Ober
On Thursday 25 March 2004 06:05 am, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> | > >> | Good remark. In this light it actually looks ok. > >> > >> OTOH, do we want it to be that easy to do non-logical markup? > > Andre> Well, given the existence of

Re: Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-25 Thread Kuba Ober
On Thursday 25 March 2004 04:36 am, Angus Leeming wrote: > Andre Poenitz wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 12:14:26AM +0100, Christian Ridderström > > > > wrote: > >> [...] That *is* ubercool... > > > > Just out of interest: I know this usage of 'uber' has 70 year old > > German roots as in 'Überm

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-25 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: >> OTOH, do we want it to be that easy to do non-logical markup? > | Well think of it in xhtml terms. The user *should* specify an external | style sheet but it is still possible to tweak things: I am not talking about availa

Re: Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 12:00:18PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Andre Poenitz wrote: > > And recently I was told Nietsche is dead > > Who said that? God? How should I know? Andre'

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-25 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> | Good remark. In this light it actually looks ok. >> >> OTOH, do we want it to be that easy to do non-logical markup? Andre> Well, given the existence of explicit font size/color/whatever Andre> changes, this should qualify as lesser

Re: Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-25 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Andre Poenitz wrote: > And recently I was told Nietsche is dead Who said that? God? Jürgen.

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-25 Thread Angus Leeming
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > OTOH, do we want it to be that easy to do non-logical markup? Well think of it in xhtml terms. The user *should* specify an external style sheet but it is still possible to tweak things: http://validator.w3.org/check/referer";> -- Angus

Re: Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-25 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Martin Vermeer wrote: > It's older than that: Nietsche 1883-1885. It only was hijacked 70 years > ago... And even older. Nietzsche hijacked it from Novalis, Gothe and Heine. But of course it became "popular" with Nietzsche's "Also sprach Zarathustra" ("Seht, ich lehre Euch den Übermenschen! Der

Re: Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 12:22:18PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: > It's older than that: Nietsche 1883-1885. It only was hijacked 70 > years ago... Ah... now that you mention it. One tends to forget things... And recently I was told Nietsche is dead ;-) Andre'

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:54:55AM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:45:32PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > >> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 03:20 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: > >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:56:03PM +0100, Christia

Re: Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-25 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Andre Poenitz spake thusly: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 12:14:26AM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > [...] That *is* ubercool... > > Just out of interest: I know this usage of 'uber' has 70 year old > German roots as in 'Übermensch'. 'We' don't use i

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-25 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:45:32PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: >> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 03:20 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:56:03PM +0100, Christian Ridderström >> > wrote: >> > > Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-25 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:45:32PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: >> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 03:20 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:56:03PM +0100, Christian Ridderström >> > wrote: >> > > Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why

Re: Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-25 Thread Angus Leeming
Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 12:14:26AM +0100, Christian Ridderström > wrote: >> [...] That *is* ubercool... > > Just out of interest: I know this usage of 'uber' has 70 year old > German roots as in 'Übermensch'. 'We' don't use it anymore so it > seems to be a typical English t

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 12:24:59AM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Helge Hafting wrote: > > > Not time-dependent makes all the difference. The idea is good. I didn't > > know about the math editor trick either, just tried it and found it nice > > to use. > > So people,

Re: Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 12:14:26AM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > [...] That *is* ubercool... Just out of interest: I know this usage of 'uber' has 70 year old German roots as in 'Übermensch'. 'We' don't use it anymore so it seems to be a typical English thing nowadays. I just wonder whethe

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:45:32PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > On Wednesday 24 March 2004 03:20 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:56:03PM +0100, Christian Ridderström > > wrote: > > > Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why? Do you dislike > > > double-clicking with a mou

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-24 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Helge Hafting wrote: > Not time-dependent makes all the difference. The idea is good. I didn't > know about the math editor trick either, just tried it and found it nice > to use. So people, what do you say. Should I add the this as a feature request to bugzilla? /Christian

Ctrl-Space space... (was Re: New Feature: enter enter enter)

2004-03-24 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Kuba Ober wrote: > We have a very similar and darn useful feature in mathed, namely > Ctrl+space, space, space ... Why on earth would one see that as a > problem with plain Enter, I can't fathom. I consider the "variable" > mathed space to be an ubercool thing That *is* uberc

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-24 Thread Helge Hafting
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:45:32PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > On Wednesday 24 March 2004 03:20 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:56:03PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > > Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why? Do you dislike > > > double-clicking with a mouse f

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-24 Thread Kuba Ober
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 03:20 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:56:03PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why? Do you dislike > > double-clicking with a mouse for instance? > > First, I'd consider this bad UI as well. > > Peopl

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-24 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 08:46:35AM -0500, Kuba Ober spake thusly: > We have a very > similar and darn useful feature in mathed, namely Ctrl+space, space, > space ... Why on earth would one see that as a problem with plain Enter, I > can't fathom. I consider the "variable" mathed space to be an

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-24 Thread Kuba Ober
> I'm not sure if you're serious here... however, if two-times deleted a > word, that *might* feel intuitive, but I feel very uncertain about it. > Otherwise, there's a difference between the effect of'enter' and > 'backspace' since 'enter' only has a "meaning" the first time it's > pressed. I don

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-24 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:56:03PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why? Do you dislike > double-clicking with a mouse for instance? First, I'd consider this bad UI as well. People are used to the concept of mouse double clicks but not to 'double k

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-24 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Anyway, along the same thinking, you could imagine that pressing | Arrow-Left twice quickly would do a 'word-left' and so on. Perhaps a | better example would be that "dobule-pressing"'HOME moves to the beginning | of the current paragraph (or th

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-23 Thread Asger Kunuk Ottar Alstrup
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Christian Ridderström wrote: > I take back what I said above, especially when it comes to the > behaviour in Windows when I want to change the name of a file. It drives > me nuts. First I click on the icon to select it. Then I have to wait a > while before I can click on the

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-23 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > > > >> Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> | Or would this be considered bad UI? > >> > >> I would. > > | Just out

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-23 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Helge Hafting wrote: > > Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why? Do you dislike > > double-clicking with a mouse for instance? > > > Indeed! There's lots of trouble with it. > The mouse might slide, turning it into a short drag or something. > I might be too slow some

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-23 Thread Helge Hafting
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 02:56:03PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > > > Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > | Or would this be considered bad UI? > > > > I would. > > Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why? Do

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > >> Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> | Or would this be considered bad UI? >> >> I would. | Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why? Do you dislike | double-clicki

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-23 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Or would this be considered bad UI? > > I would. Just out of curiousity, could you exand on why? Do you dislike double-clicking with a mouse for instance? I don't mind double-clicking whe

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Or would this be considered bad UI? I would. -- Lgb

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-22 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Angus Leeming wrote: > Things have changed in LyX 1.4.x. You'd use > Insert->Special Formatting->Vertical Space > which can be bound to the accelerator key of your choice. Does any of the GUI (Qt, Xforms) allow you to define shortcuts that takes the time into consideration, e

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-22 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Martin" == Martin Forsgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> I've got an idéa of a new feature in the gui. As it is now it Martin> doesn't mather how many enter you press, you still cant get Martin> more then a new part. Thats good but what if it transformed to Martin> a vertical space i

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-22 Thread Alfredo Braunstein
Martin Forsgren wrote: > I've got an idÃa of a new feature in the gui. > As it is now it doesn't mather how many enter > you press, you still cant get more then a new > part. Thats good but what if it transformed to > a vertical space if you pressed one more enter. > And if you pressed once more

Re: New Feature: enter enter enter

2004-03-22 Thread Angus Leeming
Martin Forsgren wrote: Hi, Martin. > I've got an idéa of a new feature in the gui. > As it is now it doesn't mather how many enter > you press, you still cant get more then a new > part. Thats good but what if it transformed to > a vertical space if you pressed one more enter. > And if you press