Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-12 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Carlos Fiyero wrote: > 1. But the phonetic symbols doesn't have names like the greek > characters. They only belong to categories. And some of them even > don't belong to a single category but are between them (e.g. at the > vowels). What name should be used? Use the n

Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-11 Thread Carlos Fiyero
rt \chi" > Item "psi" "math-insert \psi" > Item "omega" "math-insert \omega" > Item "Gamma" "math-insert \Gamma" > Item "Delta" "math-insert \Delta" > Item "Theta" "math-insert \Theta&q

Re: [RFC] [patch] Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-06 Thread Richard Heck
On 03/06/2012 10:18 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: I plan to convert the unicode glyphs to TIPA shortcut notation inside the IPA inset (in latex output), i.e. you'll get for the above \textipa{Ekspl@neIS@n} Attached is an approach for this. I think it is best to recor

[another patch] Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-06 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > \textipa{\textepsilon{}kspl\textschwa{}ne\textsci{}\textesh{}\textschwa{}n} > > which is not only hardly readable (due to the macros), but also the kerning > is broken by the {} which are appended after each macro. The kerning problem is addressed by the attached patc

[RFC] [patch] Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-06 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > I plan to convert the unicode glyphs to TIPA shortcut notation inside the > IPA inset (in latex output), i.e. you'll get for the above > > \textipa{Ekspl@neIS@n} Attached is an approach for this. I think it is best to record the TIPA shortcuts in the unicodesymbols f

Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-06 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Richard Heck wrote: > All you need to do is produce something similar for IPA. Probably for > IPA you would use unicode-insert, followed by the codepoint. E.g.: > unicode-insert 0x0251 > gets you: ɑ. Something like this can be done inside the new IPA inset (and indeed also inside the old math-ti

Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-05 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Richard Heck wrote: > No programming involved. The Greek toolbar is defined like this: Please wait with that. I'm working on a TIPA inset outside mathed. Jürgen

Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-05 Thread Richard Heck
On 03/05/2012 10:48 AM, Carlos Fiyero wrote: I would love to do this, but I'm absolutely no programmer. I once read a book about JavaScript and after the first 2 pages it vanished into oblivion... But if somebody would like to do this and needs help that needs no programming or editing code, I wo

Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-05 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Carlos Fiyero wrote: > Today it is possible to write IPA phonetic symbols by keyboard in the > special IPA-mode. But therefore you have to know what symbol is on > what key. And I'm not sure, if really all symbols are available there. > I think it would be a great idea to have a

Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-05 Thread Carlos Fiyero
chard Heck : > On 03/05/2012 07:13 AM, Carlos Fiyero wrote: >> >> Today it is possible to write IPA phonetic symbols by keyboard in the >> special IPA-mode. But therefore you have to know what symbol is on >> what key. And I'm not sure, if really all symbols are avai

Re: Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-05 Thread Richard Heck
On 03/05/2012 07:13 AM, Carlos Fiyero wrote: Today it is possible to write IPA phonetic symbols by keyboard in the special IPA-mode. But therefore you have to know what symbol is on what key. And I'm not sure, if really all symbols are available there. I think it would be a great idea to h

Feature Request: toolbar for phonetic symbols (IPA)

2012-03-05 Thread Carlos Fiyero
Today it is possible to write IPA phonetic symbols by keyboard in the special IPA-mode. But therefore you have to know what symbol is on what key. And I'm not sure, if really all symbols are available there. I think it would be a great idea to have a toolbar with the IPA phonetic symbols; si

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-18 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Also sprach Helge Hafting: > Ok, seems a TIPA mode is justified.  It'd still be nice to have > a generic version of this, so as to enter any of those unicode characters > too rarely used to get a key of its own. I'd like to have a TIPA panel (similar to the math panel), which could be extended to

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-18 Thread Helge Hafting
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Helge Hafting wrote: Well, how about having a similiar mechanism in text mode, then? In math you can press "\" and then enter a name like "alpha" or some TIPA symbol or whatever. All unicode characters are numbered, I believe. The thing about IPA shortcuts i

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-18 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Helge Hafting wrote: > Well, how about having a similiar mechanism in text mode, then? > In math you can press "\" and then enter a name like "alpha" or > some TIPA symbol or whatever. All unicode characters are > numbered, I believe. The thing about IPA shortcuts is that you have to hit only one

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-18 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | In text mode we support "\" as a text character, so it'd have to | be something else. A function key? Ctrl+\ ? | | Press, say C-\, and then enter the name of some special character. | Perhaps even things like "footnote", "float" . . . Then space, and y

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-18 Thread Helge Hafting
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: For trunk we should think unicode. Then we should not need math to insert phonetic symbols. That would be cool indeed. However, inserting IPA via math is convenient, because you can use TIPAs shorthand notation (which is what

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 03:28:06PM +0200, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > > For trunk we should think unicode. Then we should not need > > math to insert phonetic symbols. > > That would be cool indeed. However, inserting IPA via math is > con

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 03:23:50PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Michael Gerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Jürgen, > | > | I applied your phonetic symbol patch to trunk and also to 1.4.X. > > For trunk we should think unicode. Then we should not need math t

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 03:32:33PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | > For trunk we should think > unicode. Then we should not need math to | > insert phonetic > symbols. | | That wo

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Michael Gerz
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Also sprach Michael Gerz: ^ Hihihi... Wouldn't it be enough to just run command-sequence math-mode on; math-insert \textipa No. You have to explicitely enter textmode. Read http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX#toc2 for details. The char-f

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > But it is not math... using math for this is an implementation detail > and a TeX specific one. That's true. I'd prefer a genuine tipa inset as well (and a tipa panel). But as long as this is not there, math can be misused to enter IPA rather conveniently (as well as

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: | > For trunk we should think unicode. Then we should not need math to | > insert phonetic symbols. | | That would be cool indeed. However, inserting IPA via math is convenient, | because you can use TIP

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > For trunk we should think unicode. Then we should not need math to > insert phonetic symbols. That would be cool indeed. However, inserting IPA via math is convenient, because you can use TIPAs shorthand notation (which is what most phoneticians will prefer

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Michael Gerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Jürgen, | | I applied your phonetic symbol patch to trunk and also to 1.4.X. For trunk we should think unicode. Then we should not need math to insert phonetic symbols. (The latex output might need it, but that is a completely different

Re: Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Also sprach Michael Gerz: > Wouldn't it be enough to just run > >     command-sequence math-mode on; math-insert \textipa No. You have to explicitely enter textmode. Read http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LinguistLyX#toc2 for details. The char-forward is needed to move the cursor inside. Jürgen

Phonetic symbols

2006-09-16 Thread Michael Gerz
Jürgen, I applied your phonetic symbol patch to trunk and also to 1.4.X. Author: schmitt Date: Sat Sep 16 15:09:46 2006 New Revision: 15015 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/15015 However, I wonder whether the command sequence is too complicated: command-sequence math-mode on; math-