On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:07:20PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> In general I do not care too much about menus as long as I can get away
I see.
regards
john
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On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:58:02PM +, John Levon wrote:
> Presenting multiple options to the user has the tendency to lead to
> dithering. This slows the user down. I assume you do believe disabling
> menu items to be useful at all ?
In general I do not care too much about menus as long as I c
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 02:29:24PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > When will you learn that polls are only one aspect of input into a user
> > interface design, not the be all and end all ?
>
> So far user polls seem to be a better indication of what people want and
> what they consider "good UI"
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:13:44PM +, John Levon wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:46:02PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > Possibly. I did not promise to solve everything the way you like,
> > especially if that would mean I would not like it. Feel free to get support
> > for every request I
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:46:02PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> Possibly. I did not promise to solve everything the way you like,
> especially if that would mean I would not like it. Feel free to get support
> for every request I reject by a poll on the users list.
When will you learn that polls
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 12:36:21PM +, John Levon wrote:
> > And I may remind you to a previous offer: If you come up with a list of
> > well-defined items you don't like in mathed, I am willing to work on it.
>
> I already have some items on bugzilla. You've already refused to fix one
> of the
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 08:00:54AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> And I may remind you to a previous offer: If you come up with a list of
> well-defined items you don't like in mathed, I am willing to work on it.
I already have some items on bugzilla. You've already refused to fix one
of them ...
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 12:04:01PM +, John Levon wrote:
> Of course I would not call it bad. It's damn good. But this is not going
> to stop me whining about wrinkles that *are* there. We can do better
> than doing better than Word.
And I may remind you to a previous offer: If you come up with
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 02:10:36PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote:
> > Furthermore, the alleged complexity of something is NEVER an excuse for
> > a bad UI.
>
> Indeed. But would you call the mathed UI 'bad'? Come on! Compare with
> Word's formula editor any day.
Of course I would not call it bad.
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 11:15:38AM +, John Levon spake thusly:
>
> > Math typesetting is intrinsically complex. Mathed has nothing to be
> > ashamed of.
>
> Bunk. The typesetting may be complex, but that is done by the computer
> not by the user.
By LaTeX, actually. And yes, it does a great
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 12:09:25AM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote:
> > I've not heard of people using LyX because it disallows doing
> > things.
>
> I have heard of millions of people panicking because of too many
> options in software -- but those wouldn't even get as far as
> considering LyX. Sti
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:56:21PM +0100, Andre Poenitz spake thusly:
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 04:50:21PM +, John Levon wrote:
> > This is how mathed ended up with such baffling features.
>
> Sure.
>
> But I have heard of people using LyX _because_ of mathed.
>
> I've not heard of people
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Lars> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: |
Lars> Lars> Thats the only regression that we have... we used to
Lars> convert the | Lars> doc into "Article".
Lars> |
Lars> | I think we used to convert to the first one in th
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | I think we used to convert to the first one in the list. Why it is
> | docbook, I do not know. Probably some bad shell programming from my
> | part.
>
> Or a sorting issue.
Case sensitivity. DocBook comes before article. On my box, Curriculum Vitae is
the first item
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Lars> Thats the only regression that we have... we used to convert the
| Lars> doc into "Article".
|
| I think we used to convert to the first one in the list. Why it is
| docbook, I do not know. Probably some bad shell programming from my
| part
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Lars> Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Hi
Lars> folks,
Lars> |
Lars> | I have created a patch that fixes the problem that LyX is
Lars> incapable of | loading documents for which the corresponding TeX
Lars> class is missi
On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 08:59:47AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> That's the way it is. One line changes get a discussion of thousand lines
> and vice versa.
So my core dumping one-liners in mathed are pre-approved by you huh ?
> There's a simple way to avoid the discussion, unfortunately not in
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 07:34:56PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> I am really surprised that a few lines can start such a large
> discussion.
That's the way it is. One line changes get a discussion of thousand lines
and vice versa.
There's a simple way to avoid the discussion, unfortunately not
Hi, Folks!
we are just discussing about a few more lines at the end of choice box.
Nothing more! And they are not even visible when you open the choice box
- at least with xforms frontend. There is no need for an emotional
discussion on the overall usefulness of mathed in this context.
I am re
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 04:59:24PM +, John Levon wrote:
> If you think usability is a binary value, we're in more trouble than I
> thought.
I just think our ideas of "usable" differ.
Andre'
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:56:21PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> But I have heard of people using LyX _because_ of mathed.
That's because it's pretty much great.
> I've not heard of people using LyX because it disallows doing
> things.
If you think usability is a binary value, we're in more tro
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 04:50:21PM +, John Levon wrote:
> This is how mathed ended up with such baffling features.
Sure.
But I have heard of people using LyX _because_ of mathed.
I've not heard of people using LyX because it disallows doing
things.
Strange, isn't it?
Andre'
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Those who
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:39:56PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> I have created .tex files on machines without TeX installed. I can imagine
> a similar scenario for working with LyX.
Hrmmph. I suppose I could live with the classes being listed on the end,
suffixed with " (not available)"
> PS: I
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:46:05PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> I think that we should allow all classes _always_, and rather give a
> warning if there is some operation we cannot do because of this.
That's what I think, too.
Andre'
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Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 04:23:31PM +, John Levon wrote:
| > > So this has nothing to do with whether the user is able to select a
| > > missing class or not.
| >
| > I do not believe we have any good reason to support *creating* a file
| > with a n
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 04:23:31PM +, John Levon wrote:
> > So this has nothing to do with whether the user is able to select a
> > missing class or not.
>
> I do not believe we have any good reason to support *creating* a file
> with a non-installed class.
I have created .tex files on machi
John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:01:31PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
|
| > So this has nothing to do with whether the user is able to select a
| > missing class or not.
|
| I do not believe we have any good reason to support *creating* a file
| with a non-in
John Levon wrote:
I do not believe we have any good reason to support *creating* a file
with a non-installed class.
Sigh. So all the discussion was more or less superfluous. (But I
remember Jean-Marc was of a different opinion)
I will change my fix according to Garst's proposal, integrate Lar
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:01:31PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> So this has nothing to do with whether the user is able to select a
> missing class or not.
I do not believe we have any good reason to support *creating* a file
with a non-installed class.
regards
john
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Garst R. Reese wrote:
My proposal would be to list only available classes and if the document
being viewed uses an unavailable class, list that class with (not
available) appended,
or maybe just give it a coloured background.
So this has nothing to do with whether the user is able to select a
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 03:09:01PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> I thought that your proposal was to introduce a new button (with on/off
> behavior) into the GUI that allows to switch between "all available
> classes" and "all classes" in the choice box. Garst doesn't mention
That was someb
John Levon wrote:
No, what Garst is suggesting is what I did. It is ONLY shown for such
documents.
I reckon "blah (not available)" makes sense
I am puzzled...
I thought that your proposal was to introduce a new button (with on/off
behavior) into the GUI that allows to switch between "all ava
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 02:51:31PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> >>>if it is not available, why now show "xxx not available" for only that
> >>>particular doc? Or, simply, "LyX display"
> >>>
> But if John does not like the term "N/A" in the choice box, he will also
> not like "not available" i
Garst R. Reese wrote:
Michael Schmitt wrote:
if it is not available, why now show "xxx not available" for only that
particular doc? Or, simply, "LyX display"
But if John does not like the term "N/A" in the choice box, he will also
not like "not available" in the corresponding field.
In Lay
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 09:37:04AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> You proposed an option in the document dialog, didn't you? In that case,
no
> I need some help by a frontend developer (both QT and xforms). Is
> anybody willing to help me finish this stuff?
My activation date for ADSL is to
> "Michael" == Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Michael> Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
>> Thats the only regression that we have... we used to convert the
>> doc into "Article".
>>
Michael> BTW: Has anybody ever checked what happens if LaTeX is not
Michael> installed at all? (this is
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
Thats the only regression that we have... we used to convert the doc
into "Article".
BTW: Has anybody ever checked what happens if LaTeX is not installed at
all?
(this is a scenario we must anticipate if people try out our Windows Qt
port)
Michael
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John Levon wrote:
MAybe I misunderstand the patch (you forgot to describe it). I expected
that what happened was basically what I suggested.
If it just adds all the non-available classes to the combo always, I am
against the patch.
You proposed an option in the document dialog, didn't you? In
Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Index: src/exporter.C
| ===
| RCS file: /cvs/lyx/lyx-devel/src/exporter.C,v
| retrieving revision 1.25
| diff -u -r1.25 exporter.C
| --- src/exporter.C2003/01/06 14:02:21 1.25
| ++
Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Hi folks,
|
| I have created a patch that fixes the problem that LyX is incapable of
| loading documents for which the corresponding TeX class is missing!
Ok, thanks for doing this.
BUT! I am not so sure that this will go into cvs now.
It is after
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 03:18:41AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> A dictionary told me that "N/A" can also mean "not available". I
> justed wanted to avoid a star under all circumstance :-) (And my knowledge
> and ressource are too limited for modifying the GUI).
None the less, N/A is confusing
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, John Levon wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 03:02:49AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
>
> > Please have a look at the patch. I expect that you are not willing to
> > apply it directly but please don't let us postpone it until 1.4.0. Let's
> > discuss about the open issues if
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 03:02:49AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> Please have a look at the patch. I expect that you are not willing to
> apply it directly but please don't let us postpone it until 1.4.0. Let's
> discuss about the open issues if you think there are any (It already
I do not li
Hi folks,
I have created a patch that fixes the problem that LyX is incapable of
loading documents for which the corresponding TeX class is missing!
Please have a look at the patch. I expect that you are not willing to
apply it directly but please don't let us postpone it until 1.4.0. Let's
di
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