Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-08 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 10:24:29AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: A while ago there was almost no email concerning MS Windows and everybody was happy with it. Please define everybody. Erm. Me, myself, I, and a few others. OK, then that's more than 3 and you can say "m

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-07 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 10:24:29AM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > >A while ago there was almost no email concerning MS Windows and > >everybody was happy with it. > > Please define everybody. Erm. Me, myself, I, and a few others. > I am not very fond of windows but I am forced to it. So are

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Bo" == Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I don't want to speak for all new (windows) developers but I think >> we have done a bit more than just windows support. Bo> I came as a *nix developer, until I find that windows is the weak Bo> link of the lyx product chain. Sure, it was the

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-07 Thread Bo Peng
I don't want to speak for all new (windows) developers but I think we have done a bit more than just windows support. I came as a *nix developer, until I find that windows is the weak link of the lyx product chain. This is somehow unfortunately to me since I am not a frequent windows user, and m

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-07 Thread Angus Leeming
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't want to speak for all new (windows) developers but I think we > have done a bit more than just windows support. So you have indeed. And you're all very welcome. > If you are not happy with all the mails about Scons and MSVC and all, > we sh

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-07 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:57:39PM +0200, Michael Gerz wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: scons support means nothing to users. This is not a new feature to brag about, just a convenience for us. Well, given the fact that about 50% of all lyx-devel emails deal with MS W

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-06 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 04:48:48PM +, Angus Leeming wrote: > Sure we have lots of issues related specifically to Windows but we are also > starting to attract new dev faces for the first time in a very long time. > These > new faces are all sitting in front of Windows boxen. Even Enrico who's

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-06 Thread Angus Leeming
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >scons support means nothing to users. This is not a new feature to > > >brag about, just a convenience for us. > > Well, given the fact that about 50% of all lyx-devel emails deal with MS > > Windows problems, scons is a BIG step forward. > A while

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:57:39PM +0200, Michael Gerz wrote: >> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> >> >scons support means nothing to users. This is not a new feature to >> >brag about, just a convenience for us. >> > >> > >> Well, g

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 05:48:01PM +, Angus Leeming wrote: > Jose' Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tuesday 30 May 2006 18:03, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > > I think we should ponder that carefully. If we really intend to > > > get unicode support into 1.5 (which we want, don't we?),

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-06-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:57:39PM +0200, Michael Gerz wrote: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > >scons support means nothing to users. This is not a new feature to > >brag about, just a convenience for us. > > > > > Well, given the fact that about 50% of all lyx-devel emails deal with MS > Windo

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-31 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Michael" == Michael Gerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael> IMHO change tracking in 1.4 is problematic. That's why I try Michael> to rewrite it for 1.5. But I think you overestimate the importance this has for end-users. It is important for some people, but not vital. Likewise, qt4 is n

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-31 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Michael" == Michael Gerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael> I just wanted to express my concern that we start too many Michael> projects at the same time. If unicode support is ready within Michael> a reasonable time, then it's perfect. Now you are rewriting history. At the developers m

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-31 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 18:48, Angus Leeming wrote: > The people of Pisa have shown the world the troubles that await those who > build on top of insufficient foundations ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaning_Tower_of_Pisa Also, if I remember correctly another problem was the desertion of rel

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Gerz
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: scons support means nothing to users. This is not a new feature to brag about, just a convenience for us. Well, given the fact that about 50% of all lyx-devel emails deal with MS Windows problems, scons is a BIG step forward. But you are right, the end user doesn

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Gerz
Jose' Matos wrote: This is a bit shortsighted Michael, what you are proposing is what we have. :-) Well, that's not really true. The Qt4 frontend has not been completed yet, and CT is still under development, too. I just wanted to express my concern that we start too many projects at the

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Angus Leeming
Jose' Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 30 May 2006 18:03, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > I think we should ponder that carefully. If we really intend to get unicode > > support into 1.5 (which we want, don't we?), the bell for xforms tolls (is > > that an appropriate phrase)? > > Giv

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 18:03, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > I think we should ponder that carefully. If we really intend to get unicode > support into 1.5 (which we want, don't we?), the bell for xforms tolls (is > that an appropriate phrase)? > Given that people (including me) intend to add some n

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Georg Baum wrote: >> Do we still care about xforms? Why don't we remove it? > > I proposed that already several times and am fine with it, but others > disagreed. Dropping xforms support silently and let it die a slow death > would be unfair to users. We should either remove it officially, or > c

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 17:21, Andre Poenitz wrote: > >   This is a bit shortsighted Michael, what you are proposing is what we > > have. :-) > > 1.4.x is worse than 1.3.7 in a few areas... I agree, for lots of reasons, after all 1.4.x in three years will be a lot more stable than any 1.5.x we c

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:18:38AM +0100, Jose' Matos wrote: > This is a bit shortsighted Michael, what you are proposing is what we > have. :-) 1.4.x is worse than 1.3.7 in a few areas... Andre'

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Please fix this. I don't know Georg> whether the values from lyx_main or the ones from Georg> XParseGeometry should be used. >> Georg, what about this? Georg> Looks good (assuming that XParseGeometry does

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Georg Baum
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Georg> Please fix this. I don't know whether the values from lyx_main > Georg> or the ones from XParseGeometry should be used. > > Georg, what about this? Looks good (assuming that XParseGeometry does not change the given values if it has nothing to parse). Georg

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> Please fix this. I don't know whether the values from lyx_main Georg> or the ones from XParseGeometry should be used. Georg, what about this? JMarc Index: src/frontends/lyx_gui.h =

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Michael" == Michael Gerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael> Do we still care about xforms? Why don't we remove it? We should try to have a good idea of who uses xforms and why. Maybe ask on lyx-users or setup some kind of poll. Michael> Are we still working on a text processor? Or has L

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 29 May 2006 19:55, Michael Gerz wrote: > Do we still care about xforms? Why don't we remove it? > > Guys, I am getting more and more worried about how LyX evolves. > Currently, we have > >   - 5 (!) frontends (xforms, gtk, qt3, qt4, kde) >   - 3 (!) build systems (auto*, scons, cmake; the

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-30 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Michael Gerz wrote: - 3 (!) build systems (auto*, scons, cmake; the latter at least under discussion) Please don't put oil on the fire (do we say that in English?). Peter work on CMake has already already helped Bo in his Scons-msvc adventure; so it was worth it for that alone. Besides, we s

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> IMO the -geometry switch should take precedence over the Georg> session settings. If you change the interface of lyx_gui::start Georg> so that it is known inside lyx_gui::start whether the geometry Georg> info comes from the session or

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-29 Thread Georg Baum
Am Montag, 29. Mai 2006 20:55 schrieb Michael Gerz: > Do we still care about xforms? Why don't we remove it? I proposed that already several times and am fine with it, but others disagreed. Dropping xforms support silently and let it die a slow death would be unfair to users. We should either r

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-29 Thread Michael Gerz
Georg Baum wrote: xforms does not compile: Do we still care about xforms? Why don't we remove it? Guys, I am getting more and more worried about how LyX evolves. Currently, we have - 5 (!) frontends (xforms, gtk, qt3, qt4, kde) - 3 (!) build systems (auto*, scons, cmake; the latter at

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-29 Thread Georg Baum
Am Montag, 29. Mai 2006 21:16 schrieb Bo Peng: > I do not have xform so I can not test. Since all other platforms use > w/h/x/y values from lyx_main.C, I guess it makes sense to ignore > XParseGeometry as well. I don't agree. AFAIK XParseGeometry evaluates the -geometry command line switch. Users

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-29 Thread Bo Peng
xforms does not compile: ../../../../src/frontends/xforms/lyx_gui.C:260: error: invalid conversion from 'int*' to 'unsigned int*' ../../../../src/frontends/xforms/lyx_gui.C:260: error: initializing argument 4 of 'int XParseGeometry(const char*, int*, int*, unsigned int*, unsigned int*)' ../../

Re: [Cvslog] r13953 - in /lyx-devel/trunk/src: frontends/gtk/lyx_gui.C...

2006-05-29 Thread Georg Baum
Am Montag, 29. Mai 2006 17:11 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Move window width/height/posx/posy from frontends to lyx_main.C, from Bo Peng ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > * src/frontends/ALLFRONTENDS/lyx_gui.C: use passed width/height/posx/posy in lyx_gui::start > * src/frontends/lyx_gui.h: prot