Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-28 Thread UH
Greg! Like you expose it, it seems a circulus vitiosus (given you start your mac with a live-cd to install (l)ubuntu you have to relay on that machine to go to the net but you can't since there isn't the firmware!). BUT: As i said - in former times (Ubuntu 8.04 or 8.10) it wasn't like that. I sta

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-27 Thread Greg Faith
Yeah as long as you have internet (ethernet) having b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43legacy-installer already installed will allow you to get the firmware. Of course if you have working ethernet connection you could get them with Synaptic. It is the firmware.. that is missing.. and the firmware that

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-27 Thread UH
Hi Phill! Thanks for your engagement :) As far as i know (from linuxwireless.org) at a certain point broadcom released to open source their codes. There are some, technical but not copyright restrictions regarding older chips - therefore b43legacy is somewhat limited (encrypting pswds or so (?) ).

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Greg, further to my last email, the release team member I contacted stated.. 1) it is up to the teams whether or not they include b43-fwcutter [1] 2) As far he was aware there are no copyright issues by including it. I'd go along with that, as my understanding already was that they are open s

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Greg, as noted, the b43 is on the LiveCD for lubuntu. I guess the surprise factor occurs when you are sat on your WiFi laptop with LiveCD working, do an install and POOOF!!! ... no WiFi.. Once Julien has caught up on everything (hopefully over the weekend), a discussion can be had about this s

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-27 Thread Greg Faith
Top posting: The b43/b43legacy drivers require *proprietary* firmware. Here is a tip I wrote on one of the forums, but it does require a live USB with persistence now a days. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1974013&highlight=nm_geo I know it does not address the issue at hand. Greg nm

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi UH, Ron, et-all, I assure you guys that the b43 issue is on my list to raise with Julien. I'm just doing some tidying up and have saught advice on the other video driver issue that is causing problems. Please do bear with me. I have only recently found the most likely suspects to the root cause

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-27 Thread UH
As i said, i could connet with usb wlan stick (D-Link DWA 140, ralink based). And yes, the error msg indicates the liinuxwireless.org site wherefrom should be downloaded the needed firmware. But the LiveCD is hardly useable in the actual state. . . And moreover, as far as i know b43 would be essent

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hiyas, it seems that b43 is not being installed. I've had it reported that it works fine in LiveCD mode (where we can see b43 there to be ;oaded) but not the actual installations. I'm waiting to have chat the person who looks after what does get installed to ask if this was an oversight which can

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread UH
OK, here i am - with firefox from the live-cd: - I could type in the pswd for the network connection (i knew how to arrive there just before, but i didn`t consider i` m with the american keyboard). - The installation does not work because i`m prompted with an absolutely unreadable installation wi

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread Ron Mitchell
The article I followed is at: http://samuelmartin.wordpress.com/category/linux/ There's more on it at: http://superuser.com/questions/438699/adding-dual-monitor-settings-to-xorg-conf-d However with today's build of Lubuntu Desktop PPC, we seem to be back to the drawing board. (separate e-

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread UH
Thanks, that's an idea. I could try to translate it to the 17" monitor of my powerbook. As far as i remember, i can change that file even on the live cd (obviously, it won't be saved). Or am i wrong here? TIA, Uli 2012/9/27 Ron Mitchell : > > Yes I have my little 10-monitor.conf file (attached) t

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread Ron Mitchell
Yes I have my little 10-monitor.conf file (attached) that goes into /use/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ That solves all the problems for me with both the live and the alternate. However it is machine specific, and I'm not sure it would work for everyone. And yes, as a distro fix, it is too complicated

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread Phill Whiteside
Cancel the stuff on the new kernel! I asked the wrong question. It is now being considered. Regards, Phill. On 26 September 2012 22:43, Phill Whiteside wrote: > And now to chuck in a hand-grenade > > Are there any workarounds that can be put into the test cases (such as > nosplash for Live

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread Phill Whiteside
And now to chuck in a hand-grenade Are there any workarounds that can be put into the test cases (such as nosplash for Live CD, and possibly others). As the installer is know to work and the issues are x-org / kernel driven I need some working test cases to either go into the test cases or in

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread UH
Thanks Arild for the hint. But i don't see there any advice how to get the resolution of the live cd working. In my case, the problem is: I do not have any readable/useable window where i could type in the pswd for the router. Uli 2012/9/26 Arild Lindseth : > Hi Uli > > > Yes, there are new addit

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread UH
Thanks, i'll try that tomorrow (now, i'm on a pad :) ). Btw, just another point: I see, that b43 legacy is not supported by default. I get the advice to go to the linux wireless site and to download the correct software. I'm asking myself: How can i do this if i do not have some other tool (in my

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread Arild Lindseth
Hi Uli Yes, there are new additions to the work-arounds of powerpc on the test faq page :-) Regards from Arild On 09/26/2012 10:39 PM, UH wrote: Sorry: NOW is a typo. Should be NO 2012/9/26 UH Today i tried to do a fresh i

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread Greg Faith
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:39 PM, UH wrote: > > Sorry: NOW is a typo. Should be NO > > 2012/9/26 UH : > > Today i tried to do a fresh install with the ppc installer from 25 sep > > (yesterday) on a PB 17" 1,3ghz. I'm getting the munged graphics and > > now dialogue window works. I don't see anythin

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread UH
Sorry: NOW is a typo. Should be NO 2012/9/26 UH : > Today i tried to do a fresh install with the ppc installer from 25 sep > (yesterday) on a PB 17" 1,3ghz. I'm getting the munged graphics and > now dialogue window works. I don't see anything. Then i tried with the > live video=ofonly option, but

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread UH
Today i tried to do a fresh install with the ppc installer from 25 sep (yesterday) on a PB 17" 1,3ghz. I'm getting the munged graphics and now dialogue window works. I don't see anything. Then i tried with the live video=ofonly option, but this does not start the Xserver. I tried to do startx from

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-26 Thread lars nooden
#1 below is for the Desktop image, not the Alternate. There is a separate problem with the alternate install. Regards, /Lars On 9/25/12, Phill Whiteside wrote: > Hi Lars, > > Colin Watson has said that it is not a ubiquity bug, which you confirm - > the system installs. Just a blank screen. Ca

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-25 Thread Jonathan Marsden
I finally have a borrowed powerbook PPC G4 laptop to play with (battery life is around 2 minutes, but other that, it works). So maybe late this evening I can test this out with Lubuntu 12.10 Beta2, and see if I can figure something out. Very late in the cycle, but at least I have some PPC hardwar

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-25 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Lars, Colin Watson has said that it is not a ubiquity bug, which you confirm - the system installs. Just a blank screen. Can you use the workaround [1] to get it working? from my reading of the issue, it is a mix of kernel and X that is causing the issue. Trying to get one of the teams to not b

[Lubuntu-qa] No desktop on beta2 alternate ppc

2012-09-25 Thread Lars Noodén
I'm still running in to the same problem with the beta2 as with the earlier dailies. After the installation is complete, the desktop and window manager seem not to start. I get only a (corrupted) mouse pointer. Which package is this most likely against? I can ssh and tunnel X. So the packages