Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Lance
Oh heck, I left one out that i don't think Nicholas mentioned either. There kind of need to be two separate "install alongside" tests to be sure the button in the lower right hand corner changes from Continue to Install Now (and vice versa) depending on whether or not adequate free space exists.

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi, you guys are on the mark! It is planned to have a matrix for test cases, that is something for 13.10 from the discussion. What was really stressed at that session is the risk of burn out. It's something I do keep going on about. Please do not 'feel bad' if you're a bit tired / bad time of mon

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Phill Whiteside
We are borg we will adapt... we will take over the world... we will solve bug #1 :D Phill. P.S. and yes, we are allowed a sense of humour! On 31 October 2012 00:22, Greg Faith wrote: > Arf! Arf! Who let the dogs out? We will adapt, slowly yes..struggling > yes.. griping yes.. But we get i

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Lance
I'm guessing that it will end up being "adopt an iso (or upgrade) + adopt an installation process" since we''ll apparently have at least 4 or 5 new installation options: #upgrade via live media #reinstall via live media #lvm installation #full disk encryption #possibly another for encryption of

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Greg Faith
Arf! Arf! Who let the dogs out? We will adapt, slowly yes..struggling yes.. griping yes.. But we get it done.. Greg nm_geo -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa Post to : lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa More help : https://help.lau

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Lance, amongst many things that have been discussed is the 'burn-out' of testers. One of the things that I 'squealed' about was the asking the testers to do a weeks' worth of testing in 2 - 3 days (Or, if we take the final RC just 36 hours). Whilst we hope that such a fraknestorm will not hit 1

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Lance
You're doing fine Phill :^) I'm just curious how this will all shake out for iso/upgrade testers. If they expect testers to devote every day, every other week to testing that's much more than most of us can handle . I'd think :^) Like at the end of the last cycle we almost got in a race, th

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Lance, I hope my earlier email made sense of the discussion that was do we do Sun --> Sat *OR* Fri --> Thur Fri --> Thur won and that will be the cycle. I can only apologise for any confusion, the ether pad was a discussion area for the session and did not include all that was decided. I'm tr

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Lance, the Friday -> Thursday cycle was suggested by one of the L-QA team so it was me that added it to the Doc. In the meeting it was accepted that it was the better one to take and has been adopted. For stability testing, as 13.04 will basically be a 'rolling release' up to the 1st Beta mile

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Lance
I forwarded a copy of this to my daughter and her thought was that "Sunday - Saturday/Friday - Thursday" would be better defined by saying: Sunday -> Saturday Friday -> Thurday Either way, if that is correct, do they expect each iso/upgrade tester to test every day of that cycle? If so it's a

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Lance
My thoughts on this are largely positive. When I look at the linked doc I see Nicholas addressed a couple of my concerns: # stability -- non-developer centric scheduling and testing; code was caught in an untestable state during planned testing # Should we target specific packages for testing i

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Phill Whiteside
hi Ron, Just to clear up some confusion (that was mentioned at the session). What is changing is that the devs and release team do not have to 'freeze' new stuff for each alpha milestone. This allows them more time to get 'features' in and also makes bug releases during a cadence test time less st

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Ron Mitchell
From a purely personal point of view, I need all the testing and problem encounters I can get. Would be happy to see the alpha tests done and participate as much as my time allows. But, given that I'm still a newbie here, I'll will go with whatever the grou decides. Ron Mitchell Sent fr

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi folks, apologies for the zero notice on this, I was part way through drafting something up when I got distracted over our test-cases! I've attached the ether-pad (in html format to preserve the links) which has the various links on it for Cadence testing. It was agreed that we will do Fri - Th

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Phill Whiteside
and, just for fun - the meeting on what cadence testing is starts at 16:05 UTC today! http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/b3-m10/ An overview will follow shortly afterwards! Regards, Phill. On 30 October 2012 15:54, Julien Lavergne wrote: > Hi, > > As you may know, Alphas will be dropped for Ubuntu

[Lubuntu-qa] Test Case updates

2012-10-30 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi, the page detailing work on test cases has had a minor rename [1]. Please do feel free to add any work items you are undertaking in the relevant sections ( or create new ones) so that we all know who is doing what & when. Test Cases will be back as a priority for us all once UDS-R is finished s

[Lubuntu-qa] Dropping Alphas for raring cycle

2012-10-30 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi, As you may know, Alphas will be dropped for Ubuntu ISOs, and it's up to the flavors to decide if they want to keep the Alphas or not. Instead, it will be replace by a cadence testing, meaning we can be free to organize the daily testing, and only have Beta 1, Beta 2 and Final release with