Em 22-06-2011 16:18, Rémi Denis-Courmont escreveu:
> Le mercredi 22 juin 2011 15:17:27 Mauro Carvalho Chehab, vous avez écrit :
>>> My very little opinion is that waving GPL is way to the hell. Nobody told
>>> me why similar technologies, in different kernel parts are acceptable,
>>> but not here.
Le mercredi 22 juin 2011 15:17:27 Mauro Carvalho Chehab, vous avez écrit :
> > My very little opinion is that waving GPL is way to the hell. Nobody told
> > me why similar technologies, in different kernel parts are acceptable,
> > but not here.
>
> If you want to do the networking code at userspa
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 8:10 PM, HoP wrote:
> Hi,
>
> get inspired by (unfortunately close-source) solution on stb
> Dreambox 800 I have made my own implementation
> of virtual DVB device, based on the same device API.
>
> In conjunction with "Dreamtuner" userland project
> [http://code.google.com
>> This is not a political issue. It is a licensing issue. If you want to use
>> someone's else code, you need to accept the licensing terms that the
>> developers
>> are giving you, by either paying the price for the code usage (on closed
>> source
>> licensing models), or by accepting the licen
On 06/22/2011 05:19 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 22-06-2011 11:24, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/22/2011 03:45 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>> Em 22-06-2011 10:13, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
On 06/22/2011 03:03 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 22-06-2011 09:37,
Em 22-06-2011 11:24, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
> On 06/22/2011 03:45 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>> Em 22-06-2011 10:13, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>>> On 06/22/2011 03:03 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
Em 22-06-2011 09:37, HoP escreveu:
> 2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
On 06/22/2011 03:45 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 22-06-2011 10:13, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/22/2011 03:03 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>> Em 22-06-2011 09:37, HoP escreveu:
2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/21 Ma
Em 22-06-2011 11:03, HoP escreveu:
> 2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>> Em 22-06-2011 10:13, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>>> On 06/22/2011 03:03 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
Em 22-06-2011 09:37, HoP escreveu:
> 2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escrev
2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 22-06-2011 10:13, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/22/2011 03:03 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>> Em 22-06-2011 09:37, HoP escreveu:
2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Em 22-06-2011 10:13, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
> On 06/22/2011 03:03 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>> Em 22-06-2011 09:37, HoP escreveu:
>>> 2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
> 2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>> Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Ob
2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 22-06-2011 09:30, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/22/2011 02:17 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/21/2011 04
On 06/22/2011 03:03 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 22-06-2011 09:37, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>>> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro C
On 06/22/2011 02:55 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 22-06-2011 09:30, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/22/2011 02:17 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
Em 22-06-2011 09:37, HoP escreveu:
> 2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
>>> 2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
> On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>> Em 21-06-2011 11:15, Andreas Ob
Em 22-06-2011 09:30, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
> On 06/22/2011 02:17 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
>>> 2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
> On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
2011/6/22 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>>> Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 21-06-2011 11:15, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/21/2011 03
On 06/22/2011 02:17 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>>> Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 21-06-2011 11:15, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
Em 21-06-2011 14:38, HoP escreveu:
> 2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>> Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>>> On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
Em 21-06-2011 11:15, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
> On 06/21/2011 03:44 PM, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
>> O
2011/6/22 Markus Rechberger :
>>
>> My very little opinion is that waving GPL is way to the hell. Nobody told me
>> why similar technologies, in different kernel parts are acceptable,
>> but not here.
>>
>
> since a customer was trying to use this module the only feedback I can give
> right now is
>
> My very little opinion is that waving GPL is way to the hell. Nobody told me
> why similar technologies, in different kernel parts are acceptable,
> but not here.
>
since a customer was trying to use this module the only feedback I can give
right now is that there are still some fundamental bu
2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>> Em 21-06-2011 11:15, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
On 06/21/2011 03:44 PM, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Andreas Ob
2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 21-06-2011 10:44, Devin Heitmueller escreveu:
>
>> Mauro, ultimately it is your decision as the maintainer which drivers
>> get accepted in to the kernel. I can tell you though that this will
>> be a very bad thing for the driver ecosystem as a whole - it wil
Em 21-06-2011 12:09, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
> On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>> Em 21-06-2011 11:15, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>>> On 06/21/2011 03:44 PM, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Andreas Oberritter
wrote:
> Mauro and D
On 06/21/2011 04:35 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 21-06-2011 11:15, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/21/2011 03:44 PM, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Andreas Oberritter
>>> wrote:
Mauro and Devin, I think you're missing the point. This is not about
Em 21-06-2011 11:56, Bjørn Mork escreveu:
> Devin Heitmueller writes:
>
>> The introduction of this patch makes it trivial for a third party to
>> provide closed-source userland support for tuners while reusing all
>> the existing GPL driver code that makes up the framework.
>
> Wouldn't it be j
Em 21-06-2011 10:44, Devin Heitmueller escreveu:
> Mauro, ultimately it is your decision as the maintainer which drivers
> get accepted in to the kernel. I can tell you though that this will
> be a very bad thing for the driver ecosystem as a whole - it will
> essentially make it trivial for vend
Devin Heitmueller writes:
> The introduction of this patch makes it trivial for a third party to
> provide closed-source userland support for tuners while reusing all
> the existing GPL driver code that makes up the framework.
Wouldn't it be just as trivial to bundle the closed-source tuner supp
Em 21-06-2011 11:15, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
> On 06/21/2011 03:44 PM, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Andreas Oberritter wrote:
>>> Mauro and Devin, I think you're missing the point. This is not about
>>> creating drivers in userspace. This is not about open or c
2011/6/21 Andreas Oberritter :
> Yes, and you did lie to your vendor, too, as you did not mention the
> possibilities to create
I don't know if this is a language barrier issue, but calling someone
a liar (let alone in an open forum) is a pretty offensive thing to do.
In fact, such discussions di
On 06/21/2011 03:44 PM, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Andreas Oberritter wrote:
>> Mauro and Devin, I think you're missing the point. This is not about
>> creating drivers in userspace. This is not about open or closed source.
>> The "vtuner" interface, as implemented
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Andreas Oberritter wrote:
> Mauro and Devin, I think you're missing the point. This is not about
> creating drivers in userspace. This is not about open or closed source.
> The "vtuner" interface, as implemented for the Dreambox, is used to
> access remote tuners:
Em 21-06-2011 09:34, HoP escreveu:
>> For that to happen, it should not try to use any Dreambox specific
>> application
>> or protocol, but to just use the standard DVBv5 API, as you've pointed.
>
> OK, If there is some change to not totally refuse such driver, then I will
> be happy to refactor
I hope this driver will be included if it can be useful for some and if
it follows the GPL rules.
But really, +1 to Sebastien's comment - this project is a frustrating
one it seems. And at the point where I am, I would rather pay for a
working driver for a S2 + CI card, instead of trying to debug
2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 21-06-2011 08:04, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/21/2011 03:35 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>> Em 20-06-2011 18:31, HoP escreveu:
2011/6/20 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 20-06-2011 17:24, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
>
On 06/21/2011 02:05 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 21-06-2011 08:04, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
>> On 06/21/2011 03:35 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>> Em 20-06-2011 18:31, HoP escreveu:
2011/6/20 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 20-06-2011 17:24, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/20 De
Em 21-06-2011 08:04, Andreas Oberritter escreveu:
> On 06/21/2011 03:35 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>> Em 20-06-2011 18:31, HoP escreveu:
>>> 2011/6/20 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
Em 20-06-2011 17:24, HoP escreveu:
> 2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Ho
2011/6/21 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 20-06-2011 18:31, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/20 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>>> Em 20-06-2011 17:24, HoP escreveu:
2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, HoP wrote:
>> Do you think it is really serious enough reason to prevent
On 06/21/2011 03:35 AM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Em 20-06-2011 18:31, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/20 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>>> Em 20-06-2011 17:24, HoP escreveu:
2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, HoP wrote:
>> Do you think it is really serious enough
Em 20-06-2011 18:31, HoP escreveu:
> 2011/6/20 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
>> Em 20-06-2011 17:24, HoP escreveu:
>>> 2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, HoP wrote:
> Do you think it is really serious enough reason to prevent of having
> such virtualization drive
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Devin Heitmueller writes:
>
>> Nothing prevents a third-party from writing closed source drivers.
>> What we do *not* think is fair though is that those third parties
>> should be able to take advantage of all the GPL code that makes up the
>>
Hi Bjørn.
2011/6/21 Bjørn Mork :
> Devin Heitmueller writes:
>
>> Nothing prevents a third-party from writing closed source drivers.
>> What we do *not* think is fair though is that those third parties
>> should be able to take advantage of all the GPL code that makes up the
>> DVB core, and the
Devin Heitmueller writes:
> Nothing prevents a third-party from writing closed source drivers.
> What we do *not* think is fair though is that those third parties
> should be able to take advantage of all the GPL code that makes up the
> DVB core, and the man-years spent developing that code.
Yo
2011/6/20 Mauro Carvalho Chehab :
> Em 20-06-2011 17:24, HoP escreveu:
>> 2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, HoP wrote:
Do you think it is really serious enough reason to prevent of having
such virtualization driver in the kernel?
Let check my si
Em 20-06-2011 17:24, HoP escreveu:
> 2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, HoP wrote:
>>> Do you think it is really serious enough reason to prevent of having
>>> such virtualization driver in the kernel?
>>>
>>> Let check my situation and tell me how I should continue
2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, HoP wrote:
>> Do you think it is really serious enough reason to prevent of having
>> such virtualization driver in the kernel?
>>
>> Let check my situation and tell me how I should continue (TBH, I already
>> thought that driver can
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:56 PM, HoP wrote:
> Do you think it is really serious enough reason to prevent of having
> such virtualization driver in the kernel?
>
> Let check my situation and tell me how I should continue (TBH, I already
> thought that driver can be accepted, but my dumb brain thoug
2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
> 2011/6/20 Sébastien RAILLARD (COEXSI) :
>> If I may put my two cents in this discussion regarding the closed source
>> code problem: maybe it could be great to have some closed source drivers
>> making some DVB hardware working better or even allowing more DVB hardwa
Hello again,
Le lundi 20 juin 2011 20:41:44 Devin Heitmueller, vous avez écrit :
> > Some might argue that CUSE can already do this. Then again, CUSE would
> > not be able to reuse the kernel DVB core infrastructure: everything
> > would need to be reinvented in userspace.
>
> Generally s
2011/6/20 Sébastien RAILLARD (COEXSI) :
> If I may put my two cents in this discussion regarding the closed source
> code problem: maybe it could be great to have some closed source drivers
> making some DVB hardware working better or even allowing more DVB hardware
> working under Linux. For examp
> -Original Message-
> From: linux-media-ow...@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-media-
> ow...@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Devin Heitmueller
> Sent: lundi 20 juin 2011 20:25
> To: HoP
> Cc: Rémi Denis-Courmont; linux-media@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: [RFC] vtunerc
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:17 PM, HoP wrote:
> Can you tell me when such disscussion was done? I did a big attempt
> to check if my work is not reinventing wheels, but I found only some
> very generic frontend template by Emard .
See the "userspace tuner" thread here for the background:
http://ww
Hi Devin.
2011/6/20 Devin Heitmueller :
> 2011/6/20 Rémi Denis-Courmont :
>> Hello,
>>
>> Le dimanche 19 juin 2011 03:10:15 HoP, vous avez écrit :
>>> get inspired by (unfortunately close-source) solution on stb
>>> Dreambox 800 I have made my own implementation
>>> of virtual DVB device, b
2011/6/20 Rémi Denis-Courmont :
> Hello,
>
> Le dimanche 19 juin 2011 03:10:15 HoP, vous avez écrit :
>> get inspired by (unfortunately close-source) solution on stb
>> Dreambox 800 I have made my own implementation
>> of virtual DVB device, based on the same device API.
>
> Some might argue
Hello,
Le dimanche 19 juin 2011 03:10:15 HoP, vous avez écrit :
> get inspired by (unfortunately close-source) solution on stb
> Dreambox 800 I have made my own implementation
> of virtual DVB device, based on the same device API.
Some might argue that CUSE can already do this. Then again
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