Re: random errors with bzip2

2001-06-20 Thread Ville Herva
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 06:11:48PM +0200, you [André Dahlqvist] claimed: > Rodrigo Ventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - it could be a memory problem, but if it were, lots of kernel > > oops were expected, right? > > This certainly sounds like a memory problem. I experienced almost the same

Re: How to compile on one machine and install on another?

2001-06-20 Thread Helge Hafting
"McHarry, John" wrote: > > I am trying to compile the 2.2.19 kernel one one machine for installation > on another. I believe I need to do more than just copy over bzImage and > modify lilo.conf, but I don't know what. Is there documentation somewhere > on how to do this? Thanks. This is eno

Locking document available for general review

2001-06-20 Thread Rick Lindsley
So long as what locks are used for, and when to use them remains a black art, tuning for large system scalability will be limited to people with the time to puzzle out if a lock is truly being used correctly or they are, in fact, staring at a bug. In an effort to assist both scalability and kerne

Re: intermittent hangs with threads (clone() bug?/linuxthreads bug?)

2001-06-20 Thread bert hubert
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 05:23:48PM -0400, Ed Connell wrote: > If I run, for example, linuxthreads/Examples/ex1 (one thread prints 'a', >one prints 'b') it will run fine. If I run it from a shell script >(bash or ksh) with exec ex1 > it almost always hangs. When I do a "ps" I see the ori

Re: Why can't I ptrace init (pid == 1) ?

2001-06-20 Thread Helge Hafting
richard offer wrote: > > In arch/i386/kernel/ptrace.c there is the following code ... > > ret = -EPERM; > if (pid == 1) /* you may not mess with init */ > goto out_tsk; > > What is the rationale for this ? Is this a real security decision or > an implem

Re: Why can't I ptrace init (pid == 1) ?

2001-06-20 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >richard offer wrote: >> >> In arch/i386/kernel/ptrace.c there is the following code ... >> >> ret = -EPERM; >> if (pid == 1) /* you may not mess with init */ >> goto out_tsk; >>

2.4.5 strange behaviour

2001-06-20 Thread Igmar Palsenberg
Hi, 2.4.5 keeps thinking I can change a CDROM 20 times a second or so. System : Compaq Armada 7360 DMT Relevant stuff from dmesg : Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx PCI_IDE: unknown IDE controller on

Re: [PATCH] setuid(2) buggy or bad docs

2001-06-20 Thread Andries . Brouwer
> setuid(2) differs from the OpenBSD setuid(2) > Either I am non compos or the thing is very wrong. > The docs (man-pages-1.35) say ... Yes, setuid() has a behaviour that varies a bit from system to system. Moreover, it has varied in the history of Linux. The manpage may have been correct when it

filldir() function

2001-06-20 Thread SATHISH.J
Hi, Please someone tell me what is the function of filldir() function. I could not understand it from the code. Just give me an outline of what it will do. Thanks in advance, Regards, sathish.j - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message

Re: Iptables ipt_unclean bug?

2001-06-20 Thread Kajtár Zsolt
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > you write: > > > > Hi all! > > > > I think it's possible to hang the kernel useing isic 0.05 > > (www.packetfactory.net/Projects/ISIC/), when there's a unclean match > > in iptables rules. > Thanks for the bug report. I've just done an audit of the unclean > cod

cs5530 and UDMA implementation questions

2001-06-20 Thread Heiki Kask
Hello, I have following problems/questions I could not find answer from the kernel source code: - cs5530.c does not initialize hwif->speedproc hook. This means that hdparm -X does not call routine for chipset registers reprogramming. Did I miss something? - how chipset/disk initialization is su

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread john slee
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:04:42PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: [ ... ] > I asked Linus for this a long time ago and he pointed out that you couldn't > make it work over NFS, at least not nicely. It does seem like that could > be worked around by having a "poll daemon" which knew about all the thi

[PATCH] 2.2.19: Alpha PCI code: pcibios_fixup_bus

2001-06-20 Thread Oleg I. Vdovikin
Hi! We've number of UP2000+ boards (they just like DP264 in common). These boards has 2 PCI hoses, both has 3 PCI slots - one 32bits (IdSel=9) & two 64bits (IdSel=7,8) (6 slots in total). Recently we've tried to install 3c985b 64-bit card and observe the following: this card works just fi

VIA KT133 status, please?

2001-06-20 Thread Guennadi Liakhovetski
Hello I am looking into buying a QDI Kinetiz 7E-A motherboard with the VIA Apollo KT-133 chipset (famous vt82c686b south bridge). From the March thread "Re: Linux 2.4.2ac12 (vt82c686 info)" (http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0103.1/0013.html) it looks like Vojtech Pavlik's VIA dr

ip_tables/ipchains

2001-06-20 Thread Ted Gervais
Wondering something.. I ran insmod to bring up ip_tables.o and I received the following error: /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_unregister_sockopt /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol nf_register_sockopt This is

[OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:47AM +, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: > Just the fact that some people use Java (or any other language) does > not mean, that they don't care about "performance, system-design or > any elegance whatsoever" [2]. However, the very concept of Java encourages not

Re: spindown

2001-06-20 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > > > Roger> It does if you are running on a laptop. Then you do not want > > > Roger> the pages go out all the time. Disk has gone too sleep, needs > > > Roger> to start to write a few pages, stays idle for a while, goes to > > > Roger> sleep, a few more pages, ... > > > That could be handle

2.4.5 and gcc v3 final

2001-06-20 Thread Kissandrakis S. George
Hello I suppose that you allready know it I have installed gcc v3 released Jun 18 and i tried to compile the kernel and i got these errors in make dep i got several warnings that look like this /usr/src/linux-2.4.5/include/asm/checksum.h:161:17: warning: multi-line string literals are deprecated

Re: 2.4.5 and gcc v3 final

2001-06-20 Thread Anatoly Ivanov
Hi, Solution is simple: change line 540 from "extern struct timeval xtime;" to "extern volatile struct timeval xtime;" and have fun :) --- avi Kissandrakis S. George wrote: > Hello > I suppose that you allready know it > I have installed gcc v3 released Jun 18 and i tried to compile the > kern

Re: pivot_root from non-interactive script

2001-06-20 Thread Ralph Jones
Hi, I was using ash from SuSE 7.1 (ash-0.2-294) I patched ash's input.c with fcntl(fd, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC); in setinputd. This fixed the problem. Then I found that there is version 0.3.5-11 (on the debian site) with this fix already included. Thanks for your help. Ralph Jones On Tu

Re: softirq in pre3 and all linux ports

2001-06-20 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 10:18:10PM +1000, Paul Mackerras wrote: > Well if they are relying on having a lot of stack available then those > places are buggy. Once the softirq is made pending it can run at any it's not about having lots of stack available, it's about avoiding recursion. Andrea -

Re: ip_tables/ipchains

2001-06-20 Thread Luigi Genoni
Have you also compiled modules for ipchains and ipfwadm support?? On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ted Gervais wrote: > Wondering something.. > I ran insmod to bring up ip_tables.o and I received the following error: > > /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved > symbol nf_unreg

kernel BUG at inode.c:486 - where fixed ?

2001-06-20 Thread Soeren Sonnenburg
Hi! Has this bug been fixed and if so in which version ? Jun 20 00:15:14 zapp kernel: kernel BUG at inode.c:486! Jun 20 00:15:14 zapp kernel: invalid operand: Jun 20 00:15:14 zapp kernel: CPU:0 Jun 20 00:15:14 zapp kernel: EIP:0010:[clear_inode+51/256] Jun 20 00:15:14 zapp kernel: E

2.4.6pre3aa2

2001-06-20 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
Diff between 2.4.6pre3aa1 and 2.4.6pre3aa2: Only in 2.4.6pre3aa2: 00_alpha-numa-initrd-1 Release initrd memory from right numa node. (recommended) Only in 2.4.6pre3aa2: 00_alpha-srm-2.4.6-pre1-1 Access the srm variables via /proc/srm_environment. Patch posted t

Re: [RFQ] aic7xxx driver panics under heavy swap.

2001-06-20 Thread Bulent Abali
Justin, Your patch works for me. printk "Temporary Resource Shortage" has to go, or may be you can make it a debug option. Here is the cleaned up patch for 2.4.5-ac15 with TAILQ macros replaced with LIST macros. Thanks for the help. Bulent --- aic7xxx_linux.c.save Mon Jun 18 20:25:35 2001

Threads FAQ entry incomplete (was: Alan Cox quote?)

2001-06-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
At 03:12 PM 6/19/01 -0600, Richard Gooch wrote: >New FAQ entry: http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s7-21 > >Yeah, it's probably a bit harsh :-) It's also incomplete, in my view, to the point of being misleading. Part of the reason I'm reacting so harshly to this FAQ entry is that it flies in the face of

Re: [RFC] Early flush (was: spindown)

2001-06-20 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 06:39, Richard Gooch wrote: > Daniel Phillips writes: > > I never realized how much I didn't like the good old 5 second delay > > between saving an edit and actually getting it written to disk until > > it went away. Now the question is, did I lose any performance in > >

2.2.20pre5aa1

2001-06-20 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
Diff between 2.2.20pre3aa1 and 2.2.20pre5aa1: Only in 2.2.20pre3aa1: 00_newboot-2.2.20-pre2-1.diff.gz Merged in 2.2.20pre5. Only in 2.2.20pre3aa1: 00_mips-irix-dumpable-1 Not needed anymore with the do_coredump() common code. Only in 2.2.20pre3aa1: 00_parent-timeslice-loss-fix

Re: [UPDATE] Directory index for ext2

2001-06-20 Thread Tony Gale
The main problem I have with this is that e2fsck doesn't know how to deal with it - at least I haven't found a version that will. This makes it rather difficult to use, especially for your root fs. And, since I used it, and have since stopped using it, I have a problem in what all my disk free s

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
At 18:31 -0500 2001-06-19, Timur Tabi wrote: >Not quite. What makes OS/2's threads superior is that the OS multitasks >threads, not processes. So I can create a time-critical thread in my process, >and it will have priority over ALL threads in ALL processes. In contrast to Linux, which does exa

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Ben Greear
Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:47AM +, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: > > Just the fact that some people use Java (or any other language) does > > not mean, that they don't care about "performance, system-design or > > any elegance whatsoever" [2]. > > However, the

gendisk stuff

2001-06-20 Thread Andries . Brouwer
On ftp.kernel.org under kernel/people/aeb two files 03-2.4.6pre3-remove-real_devices and 04-2.4.6pre3-remove-max_p that remove the fields real_devices and max_p from a struct gendisk (and initialize such structs with the field: syntax). The patches could be applied today, except that probably the

Re: [Patch] swapfile.c

2001-06-20 Thread Nathan D. Fabian
On Tuesday 19 June 2001 06:24 pm, Nathan D. Fabian wrote: > The following diff tries to improve on the efficiency of try_to_unuse(). > It removes the potential O(|swap_map|^2) business and makes it linear time. > I'm not sure what this means in terms of overall change, but Linus seemed > interest

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Mike Porter
> But that foregoes the point that the code is far more complex and harder to > make 'obviously correct', a concept that *does* translate well to userspace. One point is that 'obviously correct' is much harder to 'prove' for threads (or processes with shared memory) than you might think. With a

Re: i810_audio problem

2001-06-20 Thread Delio Brignoli
I've not read the specs yet! intel web site is unreachable for me at the moment (It's two days now I can't connect ARGHH!!) :(. If you have a copy, could you please send me? -- Delio - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PR

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Russell Leighton
Ben Greear wrote: > System-design and elegance are easy to get > in Java, and in fact are independent of language. Good c code will beat > Java in most cases, performance wise, but lately the difference has become > small enough not to matter for most applications. Rather a sweeping statement.

Threads are processes that share more

2001-06-20 Thread bert hubert
Rounding up, it may be worth repeating what I think Alan said some months ago: Threads are processes that share more And if we just keep bearing that out to everybody a lot of the myths will go away. I would suggest that the pthreads manpages get this attitude. Regards, ber

Re: [Ext2-devel] Re: [UPDATE] Directory index for ext2

2001-06-20 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:59:58PM +0100, Tony Gale wrote: > > The main problem I have with this is that e2fsck doesn't know how to > deal with it - at least I haven't found a version that will. This makes > it rather difficult to use, especially for your root fs. Getting e2fsck to deal with dir

[BUG][PATCH] /proc duplicate entries

2001-06-20 Thread Eric H. Weigle
Hello- Hopefully this isn't redundant, I haven't checked the latest -ac or -pre releases. I just noticed on my 2.4.5 box that I have two /proc/dri/ directory entries (I've got both on-board and AGP video in the box and both are trying to register entries). Yes, code that tries to register the sa

Re: [RFC] Early flush (was: spindown)

2001-06-20 Thread Richard Gooch
Daniel Phillips writes: > On Wednesday 20 June 2001 06:39, Richard Gooch wrote: > > Starting I/O immediately if there is no load sounds nice. However, > > what about the other case, when the disc is already spun down (and > > hence there's no I/O load either)? I want the system to avoid doing > >

Re: Threads are processes that share more

2001-06-20 Thread Alexander Viro
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, bert hubert wrote: > Rounding up, it may be worth repeating what I think Alan said some months > ago: > > Threads are processes that share more ... and for absolute majority of programmers additional shared objects mean additional fsckup sources. I do

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 07:25, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:47AM +, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: > > Just the fact that some people use Java (or any other language) does > > not mean, that they don't care about "performance, system-design or > > any elegance whats

Re: VIA KT133 status, please?

2001-06-20 Thread Tim Hilden
Hi, I have an Abit KT7 with the Apollo Chip. The board works fine with all my hardware. I enabled the suport for the VIA chip and eveything was done. I experienced no crashes for far, only my X locks up once every 3 months that's all. Buy the board, it's really great. TIM - To unsubscribe fro

Re: spindown

2001-06-20 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Tuesday 19 June 2001 12:46, Pavel Machek wrote: > > > > Roger> It does if you are running on a laptop. Then you do not want > > > > Roger> the pages go out all the time. Disk has gone too sleep, needs > > > > Roger> to start to write a few pages, stays idle for a while, goes to > > > > Roger> s

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 19 June 2001 19:31, Timur Tabi wrote: > Amen. This is one of the reasons why I also prefer OS/2 over Linux. Preferred. OS/2's day has come and gone. IBM killed it with a stupid diversion into the power PC version between 1993 and 1995. By the time Windows 95 was released, MS had

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Larry McVoy
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 08:12:29AM -0700, Ben Greear wrote: > Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:47AM +, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: > > > Just the fact that some people use Java (or any other language) does > > > not mean, that they don't care about "performance, syst

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 10:35, Mike Porter wrote: > > But that foregoes the point that the code is far more complex and harder > > to make 'obviously correct', a concept that *does* translate well to > > userspace. > > One point is that 'obviously correct' is much harder to 'prove' for > threads

Re: [UPDATE] Directory index for ext2

2001-06-20 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 16:59, Tony Gale wrote: > The main problem I have with this is that e2fsck doesn't know how to > deal with it - at least I haven't found a version that will. This makes > it rather difficult to use, especially for your root fs. Good, the file format isn't finalized, this

Re: ip_tables/ipchains

2001-06-20 Thread Ted Gervais
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Luigi Genoni wrote: > Have you also compiled modules for ipchains and ipfwadm support?? Yes. Is this a mistake?? > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ted Gervais wrote: > > > Wondering something.. > > I ran insmod to bring up ip_tables.o and I received the following error: > > >

2.4.5ac16 SMP kernel panic trying to kill init

2001-06-20 Thread Greg Louis
Kernel 2.4.5ac16 is running on several UP machines here, but the first SMP machine I compiled it for fails early in boot. I cleaned out the source tree and recompiled, in case I'd botched the first try, but got the same result. Procedure for compilation was to patch, copy .config from the runnin

bigmem in 2.2.17

2001-06-20 Thread matt . vinall
Hi All, I'm trying to write a driver for a PCI card and would like to use the bigmem patch. My development system is running 2.2.17-21mdk (Mandrake 7.2), but as soon as I make a call to kmap() I get unresolved symbols bigmem_start, kmap_prot and kmap_pte. They ARE in System.map, but not /proc/

Re: [Ext2-devel] Re: [UPDATE] Directory index for ext2

2001-06-20 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 18:02, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:59:58PM +0100, Tony Gale wrote: > > The main problem I have with this is that e2fsck doesn't know how to > > deal with it - at least I haven't found a version that will. This makes > > it rather difficult to use, esp

Re: spindown

2001-06-20 Thread Rik van Riel
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Daniel Phillips wrote: > BTW, with nominal 100,000 erases you have to write 10 terabytes > to your 100 meg flash disk before you'll see it start to > degrade. That assumes you write out full blocks. If you flush after every byte written you'll hit the limit a lot sooner ;)

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 12:53, Larry McVoy wrote: > We couldn't believe that Java was really that bad so our GUI guy, Aaron > Kushner, sat down and rewrote the revision history browser in Java. > On a 500 node graph, the Java tool was up to 85MB. The tk tool doing > the same thing was 5MB. No

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Martin Dalecki
Rob Landley wrote: > The same arguments were made 30 years ago about writing the OS in a high > level language like C rather than in raw assembly. And back in the days of > the sub-1-mhz CPU, that really meant something. And then those days we are still writing lot's of ASM in kernels... > I d

Re: Threads FAQ entry incomplete

2001-06-20 Thread Mike Kravetz
I would take exception with the following statements in the FAQ: "However, the Linux scheduler is designed to work well with a small number of running threads. Best results are obtained when the number of running theads equals the number of processors." I agree that the Linux scheduler is design

Re: spindown

2001-06-20 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 19:32, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Daniel Phillips wrote: > > BTW, with nominal 100,000 erases you have to write 10 terabytes > > to your 100 meg flash disk before you'll see it start to > > degrade. > > That assumes you write out full blocks. If you flush

IDE drives mis-reporting size... bug or feature?

2001-06-20 Thread Josh Fryman
hi all, this is an odd one. i think it's technically a feature but might be perceived instead as a "bug". anyway, i've got a pair of Ultra100 Maxtor 52049h4 20GB drives, on a Promise Ultra 100 (PDC20267) controller. the drives were popped in with the jumper on for the 4096 cylinder limit f

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Larry McVoy
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 08:21:30PM +1000, john slee wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:04:42PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > > I asked Linus for this a long time ago and he pointed out that you couldn't > > make it work over NFS, at least not nicely. It does seem like that could > > be worked arou

2.4.5 crashes ...

2001-06-20 Thread Rainer Clasen
[1.] One line summary of the problem: crash - apparently on IP traffic. Maybe related to iptables? [2.] Full description of the problem/report: nothing special happened. The box was running for one day. I have no clue what caused this crash. The box acts as stateful packet filter. When run

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Alexander Viro
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, george anzinger wrote: > > around we _will_ get problems. Kernel UP programming is not different > > from SMP one. It is multithreaded. And amount of genuine SMP bugs is > > very small compared to ones that had been there on UP since way back. > > And yes, programming threa

Re: IDE drives mis-reporting size... bug or feature?

2001-06-20 Thread Guest section DW
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 02:00:44PM -0400, Josh Fryman wrote: > this is an odd one. i think it's technically a feature > but might be perceived instead as a "bug". anyway, i've > got a pair of Ultra100 Maxtor 52049h4 20GB drives, on a > Promise Ultra 100 (PDC20267) controller. > > the drives

Re: Threads are processes that share more

2001-06-20 Thread Martin Devera
> Threads are processes that share more BTW is not possible to implement threads as subset of process ? Like thread list pointed to from task_struct. It'd contain thread_structs plus another scheduler's data. The thread could be much smaller than process. Probably there is an

Re: Threads FAQ entry incomplete

2001-06-20 Thread Rodrigo Ventura
> "Mike" == Mike Kravetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mike> Note that in the 2 and 4 CPU cases, the run queue length is Mike> aprox 2x the number of CPUs and the scheduler seems to Mike> perform reasonably well with respect to locking. In the 8 Mike> CPU case, the number of ta

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread William T Wilson
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > However, the very concept of Java encourages not caring about > "performance, system-design or any elegance whatsoever". If you cared > about any of those things you would compile to native code (it exists Native code does not help performance much and

Unknown PCI Net Device

2001-06-20 Thread Greg Ingram
I picked up a network card that claims to use the "most reliable Realtek LAN chip". The big chip is labelled "LAN-8139" so naturally I tried the 8139too driver. It doesn't find the device. I'm wondering if maybe it's just something in the device ID tables. Here's some info: # lspci -vv [sn

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Mike Harrold
Martin Dalecki wrote:> > Rob Landley wrote: > > > Or if you like the idea of a JIT, think about transmeta writing a code > > morphing layer that takes java bytecodes. Ditch the VM and have the > > processor do it in-cache. > > Blah blah blah. The performance of the Transmeta CPU SUCKS ROCKS. N

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Rok Papež
Hi! It's hard not to reply to this kind of message but there is so much "anti-thread hype" here that someone obviously has to stand up to it. This reply isn't aimed just at Larry but at all the anti-thread-rant people with 0 threads == 0 problems attitude. On Tuesday 19 June 2001 18:09, Larry Mc

Re: Linux 2.4.5-ac15

2001-06-20 Thread Adam Sampson
Walter Hofmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It hung when I tried to close a browser window after reading the > text in it for quite some time. No swapping was going on. I've just seen this as well (for the first time) with -ac15. I was playing music with madplay at the time, and then did a "fin

Re: Threads FAQ entry incomplete

2001-06-20 Thread Charles Cazabon
Rodrigo Ventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BTW, I have a question: Can the availability of dual-CPU boards for intel > and amd processors, rather then tri- or quadra-CPU boards, be explained with > the fact that the performance degrades significantly for three or more CPUs? > Or is there a te

Re: Linux 2.4.5-ac15

2001-06-20 Thread Rik van Riel
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Walter Hofmann wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Walter Hofmann wrote: > > > I had already two crashes with ac15. The system was still ping-able, but > > login over the network didn't work anymore. > > > > The first crash happened after I started xosview and noticed that the > > s

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Martin Dalecki
Mike Harrold wrote: > So what? Crusoe isn't designed for use in supercomputers. It's designed > for use in laptops where the user is running an email reader, a web > browser, a word processor, and where the user couldn't give a cr*p about > performance as long as it isn't noticeable (20% *isn't* f

Re: How to compile on one machine and install on another?

2001-06-20 Thread Maciek Nowacki
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 04:55:10PM -0400, Tom Diehl wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Other than making sure you configure it for the box it will eventually run > > on - nope you have it all sorted. If you use modules you'll want to install > > the modules on the target machine

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Cort Dougan
Don't forget the linux-kernel favorite, "Debuggers are for bad programmers". } Here are more from the same basket you obviously got the first quote from: } } } Virtual memory is only for unskilled programmers who don't know how to use } overlays. } --

Re: ip_tables/ipchains

2001-06-20 Thread Jonathan Brugge
> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ted Gervais wrote: > > > > > Wondering something.. > > > I ran insmod to bring up ip_tables.o and I received the following >error: > > > > > > /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved > > > symbol nf_unregister_sockopt > > > /lib/modules/2.4.5

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Pete Zaitcev
> This [code morphing and binary tranlation] > was set off to provide compensation for the biggest hurdle > of VLIW design - insane code size and partially huge memmory > bus bandwidth designs due to this. (Why do you think the itanim > sucks on integer performance?) First, Merced does not suck

The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-06-20 Thread Miles Lane
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092935,00.html - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkm

RE: Client receives TCP packets but does not ACK

2001-06-20 Thread David Schwartz
> Btw: can the aplication somehow ask the tcp/ip stack what was > actualy acked? > (ie. how many bytes were acked). No, and you shouldn't want to know. Even if the other end ACKed the data, that doesn't mean that the application on the other end didn't crash. So it won't tell you what yo

Re: [RFC] Early flush (was: spindown)

2001-06-20 Thread Tom Sightler
Quoting Daniel Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I originally intended to implement a sliding flush delay based on disk > load. > This turned out to be a lot of work for a hard-to-discern benefit. So > the > current approach has just two delays: .1 second and whatever the bdflush > > delay is

RE:Why use threads ( was: Alan Cox quote?)

2001-06-20 Thread David Schwartz
> Nobody is arguing that having more than one thread of execution in an > application is a bad idea. On an SMP machine, having the same number of > processes/threads as there are CPUs is a requirement to get the scaling > if that app is all you are running. That's fine. But on a uniprocessor,

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 08:12:29AM -0700, Ben Greear wrote: > When was the last time you wrote a large cross-platform GUI that just > worked on other platforms, without any additional tweaking, after you > developed it on your Linux machine? I'd say that would be the last time I wrote something i

IP_ALIAS in 2.4.x gone?

2001-06-20 Thread Alan Olsen
Has the IP_ALIAS functionality been replaced by something else in the 2.4.x kernels? Documentation/networking/alias.txt seems to imply that it still does, but the string IP_ALIAS does not exist anywhere else in the entire source tree. (Unless you count the default configs for non-i86 architectur

Re: ip_tables/ipchains

2001-06-20 Thread Ted Gervais
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Jonathan Brugge wrote: > > > > Wondering something.. > > > > I ran insmod to bring up ip_tables.o and I received the following > >error: > > > > > > > > /lib/modules/2.4.5/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved > > > > symbol nf_unregister_sockopt > > > > /lib/mod

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-20 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Rob Landley writes: > My only real gripe with Linux's threads right now [...] is > that ps and top and such aren't thread aware and don't group them > right. > > I'm told they added some kind of "threadgroup" field to processes > that allows top and ps and such to get the display right. I haven'

is there a linux running on jvm arch ?

2001-06-20 Thread FORT David
I 've tested the User Mode Linux a few times ago, and it gave me an idea: given the fact that we had a GCC which produce bytecode from C, it would be possible to produce a port of linux(a new directory "jvm" in the arch dir) which would run in a Java Virtual Machine. (after some inquiries such c

Re: Linux 2.4.5-ac16 kernel panic

2001-06-20 Thread Gary White (Network Administrator)
2.4.5-ac16 patch applied to clean 2.4.5 tree. 2.4.5-ac15 boots with no problem. model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133] (rev 3). PnP: PNP BIOS installation structure at 0xc00fc2b0 PnP: PNP BIOS version 1.0, entry at f:c2e0, d

Re: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-06-20 Thread Rik van Riel
On 20 Jun 2001, Miles Lane wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092935,00.html Yes, he sure knows how to bring Linux to the attention of people ;) Rik -- Executive summary of a recent Microsoft press release: "we are concerned about the GNU General Public License (GPL)"

RE: is there a linux running on jvm arch ?

2001-06-20 Thread Holzrichter, Bruce
>I 've tested the User Mode Linux a few times ago, and it gave me an >idea: given the fact that we had a GCC which >produce bytecode from C, it would be possible to produce a port of >linux(a new directory "jvm" in the arch dir) which >would run in a Java Virtual Machine. (after some inquiries

freeze with 2.4.5-ac16

2001-06-20 Thread Justin Guyett
I got it to freeze in console (two generic find / -type f / type d), one process allocating and writing 0 to 192mb machine responds to pings, switching VTs works (256 physical, 512 swap) Mem-info Free pages: 1524kB (0kB High) ( Active: 39586, inactive_dirty: 18590, inactive_clean: 0, free: 381

Any gain to supporting only a single PCMCIA slot?

2001-06-20 Thread steve . snyder
Hello. PCMCIA/Cardbus controllers typically (always?) support 2 slots, and system resources are allocated to support those slots. When you build PCMCIA support into your kernel, you are implicitly asking for both slots to be supported. I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to let the user

Re: IP_ALIAS in 2.4.x gone?

2001-06-20 Thread Alan Olsen
I found the problem... IP_ALIAS is no longer needed in the config. I screwed up the init script configs for it so it did not work as expected. The documentation does not reflect that the alias behaviour is on by default. I will submit a patch for the docs that reflects this so others will not

Re: [RFC] Early flush (was: spindown)

2001-06-20 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 22:58, Tom Sightler wrote: > Quoting Daniel Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I originally intended to implement a sliding flush delay based on disk > > load. > > This turned out to be a lot of work for a hard-to-discern benefit. So > > the > > current approach has just

Re: ip_tables/ipchains

2001-06-20 Thread Luigi Genoni
try to delete those two modules, and repit depmod -a then try to load the modules. ipchain and ipfwadm modules do have symbols inside that are confusing depmode/modprobe dor dependency of actual netfilter modules. On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ted Gervais wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Luigi Genoni wrot

Re: Threads are processes that share more

2001-06-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
At 08:48 PM 6/20/01 +0200, Martin Devera wrote: >BTW is not possible to implement threads as subset of process ? >Like thread list pointed to from task_struct. It'd contain >thread_structs plus another scheduler's data. >The thread could be much smaller than process. > >Probably there is another p

Re: Threads are processes that share more

2001-06-20 Thread ognen
I thought one only refers to LWPs when talking about kernel level threads not user-space ones? Ognen On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Stephen Satchell wrote: > By the way, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that a synonym for "thread" > is "lightweight process". > > Satch -- Ognen Duzlevski Plant Biotech

Re: filldir() function

2001-06-20 Thread Jan Kara
Hello, > Please someone tell me what is the function of filldir() function. I > could not understand it from the code. Just give me an outline of what it > will do. This function is used in foo_readdir() (ie. ext2_readdir()). Purpose of this function is to copy given data to buffer supplied b

Re: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-06-20 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 23:33, Rik van Riel wrote: > On 20 Jun 2001, Miles Lane wrote: > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5092935,00.html > > Yes, he sure knows how to bring Linux to the attention > of people ;) Not to mention the GPL, which I can guarantee you, before today my m

Re: freeze with 2.4.5-ac16

2001-06-20 Thread Justin Guyett
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Justin Guyett wrote: > I got it to freeze in console (two generic find / -type f / type d), one > process allocating and writing 0 to 192mb > > machine responds to pings, switching VTs works > > (256 physical, 512 swap) happened again (vt1 and 2 echo but shells are unrespons

Re: Why use threads ( was: Alan Cox quote?)

2001-06-20 Thread Mike Castle
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 03:18:58PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: > As I said, you don't want to use one thread for each client. You use, say, > 10 threads for the 16,000 clients. That way, if an occasional client > ambushes a thread (say by reading a file off an NFS server or by using some >

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Rob Landley
On Wednesday 20 June 2001 15:27, Mike Harrold wrote: > Martin Dalecki wrote:> > > > Blah blah blah. The performance of the Transmeta CPU SUCKS ROCKS. No > > matter > > what they try to make you beleve. A venerable classical desing like > > the Geode outperforms them in any terms. There is simple s

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