On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Tracy R Reed wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:53:25PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote:
> > I seem to recall that MS products cannot be used in aircraft control
> > rooms for this reason.
>
> Your statement above is not necessarily true. By control rooms do you mean
> control towers
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 09:09:32PM -0400, William T Wilson wrote:
> It's not just MS. Aircraft control rooms (as well as nuclear power
> plants, spacecraft mission control, etc.) require special certified
> software to be used - it's not simply that they avoid MS, they avoid all
> software that h
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:53:25PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote:
> I seem to recall that MS products cannot be used in aircraft control
> rooms for this reason.
Your statement above is not necessarily true. By control rooms do you mean
control towers or in the aircraft themselves? Inside the aircraft i
er Anvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> -> From "H. Peter Anvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> > When I got Pac*Smell DSL, the installer guy (who seemed to be a
> > relative
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;H. Peter Anvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Followup to:
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> By author:William T Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
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-> From "H. Peter Anvin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> When I got Pac*Smell DSL, the installer guy (who seemed to be a
> relatively clueful type) said "and [the contract] says you're not
> allowed to run a server... but who'd know?"
..and please define "server". Does it mean that you can not run any p
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>
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote:
>
> > Better re-read the fine print on the "fair-use" statement. BOTH DSL
> > and Cable, or dialup (New Orleans at least) will disconnec
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote:
> Better re-read the fine print on the "fair-use" statement. BOTH DSL
> and Cable, or dialup (New Orleans at least) will disconnect you if you
> run ANY unattended operation (if they determine it IS unattended). No
This would take a lot of watching on the
"Jim Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> From: "Jesse Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kurt Maxwell Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "J Sloan"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:19:07 -0500 Mon, 2 Jul 01 12:25:43 BST, you
wrote:
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>From: "William T Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote:
>>
>> > This seems to be meant as a joke, but I don't think it's all that
>unlikely.
>> >
>> > I seem to reca
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Justin Guyett wrote:
>
> Problem: I don't like company policy
> Solution: Deal or get another job
Not so easy in every country.
For example in Italy the law called stauto dei lavoratori forbits workers
to change so easily.
>
>
> Peon: Help! I installed linux at work and g
y" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> "Jim Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > What some people don't realize is that Microsoft *DID* do Unix a long
time
>
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To: "Jim Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
> Jim Roland wrote:
>
> > I don't see them taking RedHat or Slackware
>_I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but
>is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as
>much as the business/work area. If you want to purchase a PC because your
>computer just fried and you want to finish a paper or something, b
"Jim Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What some people don't realize is that Microsoft *DID* do Unix a long time
> ago, they were even into OS/2 Development. :-)
And they annoyed not just a few application vendors when just a few
months after giving the message "Go with OS/2, it is the way
G'damn That's so poetically accurate, I've added it to my sig list.
I've worked in a large tech corporation for many years, (20+) and I've
relatively recently had to attempt to `open` some managerial minds, and
discovered futility of it all.
"A company's public perception is an invaluable a
Good god, I've created a monster.
I intended to just make one point and that be the end of it, but obviously I
misjudged. I should have just sent it privately so as to prevent this flood
of OT posts. I apologize for that. I made a mistake, and now I know better.
Sorry for the trouble.
--
I re-subscribed for this? Blarg. When did the LKML turn into slashdot?
On 01 Jul 2001 17:33:38 -0700, Ted Unangst wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote:
>
> > Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to
> > deal with microsoftisms.
>
> http://www.wasabisystems.c
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, William T Wilson wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote:
> My understanding is that astronauts going up on the shuttle take turns
> bringing a laptop computer so they have actual computing power available
> to them.
actually the mission related laptops are thinkpads runn
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, William T Wilson wrote:
> My understanding is that astronauts going up on the shuttle take turns
> bringing a laptop computer so they have actual computing power available
> to them. The shuttle computer is not adequate for many tasks because it
> is something like 30 years ol
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To: "Ben Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote:
>
>
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote:
> This seems to be meant as a joke, but I don't think it's all that unlikely.
>
> I seem to recall that MS products cannot be used in aircraft control
> rooms for this reason.
It's not just MS. Aircraft control rooms (as well as nuclear power
plants, spacec
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Justin Guyett wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Dan Hollis wrote:
> > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
> > As demonstrated many times over the past several years, it is becoming
> > increasingly difficult to buy a PC without bundled m$-ware. Even if you
> > dont use m$-
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote:
Microsoft is like a mountain with their installed base. Like it
or not, no matter how loud the wind howls, the mountain cannot bow
to it.
:-)
Jeff
> Paul Mundt wrote:
>
> >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Marius Nita wrote:
> _I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but
> is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as
Problem: I don't like company policy
Solution: Deal or get another job
Why should I have to spend
Jim Roland wrote:
>[snip]
>
>>>Get real, look at all the moronic things that various linux distributions
>>>
>do.
>
>>>Is this a reason to hate linux and demand the head of Linus as
>>>
>compensation
>
>>>for your troubles?
>>>
>>>This kind of attitude, and you wonder why MS attacks linux.
>>>
>>
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:11 PM
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Paul Mundt wrote:
>On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote:
>
>>Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to
>>deal with microsoftisms.
>>
>This depends on your definition of dealing with MSisms. If you mean having a
>copy of an MS product physically pre
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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 5:32 PM
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> On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:01:51PM -0700, Paul Mundt wrote:
>
> > You always have a choi
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote:
> Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to
> deal with microsoftisms.
http://www.wasabisystems.com/
> Well, when you realize that Bill Gates (not MS, just Bill Gates
> personally) has enough money to give every person in the world
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[snip]
> >Get real, look at all the moronic things that various linux distributions
do.
> >Is this a reason to hate linux and demand the head of Linus as
compensation
> >for your troubles?
> >
> >This kind of attitude, and you wonder why MS attacks linux.
> >
> Why would that make MS afraid of Lin
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Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:35 PM
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> Kurt Maxwell Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > I'm going
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Subjec
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
> You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field.
As demonstrated many times over the past several years, it is becoming
increasingly difficult to buy a PC without bundled m$-ware. Even if you
dont use m$-ware you are stil
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote:
> Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to
> deal with microsoftisms.
>
This depends on your definition of dealing with MSisms. If you mean having a
copy of an MS product physically present at a business locat
>
>
>It's hard to understand the point of such arguments. Surely you shouldn't
>be upset at someone for providing you the best option you have, should you?
>
The point is they aren't offering the best solution! They are taking
away all others! That is why people dislike the company.
-b
--
:
Perhaps I should say again that my current IT job is working w/ small
businesses and personal/home installations. In these cases, as well as
with others, it is not so much the OS that I have a problem w/. It is
the insistence of an all Macroshaft solution. Windows isn't totally bad.
I would ne
Jesse Pollard wrote:
>On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
>>
>>>I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed
>>>for using a different OS, I still have a choice.
>>>
>>No, but you might be forced out of a job.
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 03:32:51PM -0700, Marius Nita wrote:
> _I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but
> is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as
> much as the business/work area. If you want to purchase a PC because your
>
Paul Mundt wrote:
>On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote:
>
>>So as a user you are free to not use M$ products.
>>What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice.
>>
>You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're
>working with MS prod
> _I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a
> choice, yes, but
> is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the
> user area as
> much as the business/work area. If you want to purchase a PC because your
> computer just fried and you want to finish a paper or some
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:01:51PM -0700, Paul Mundt wrote:
> You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're
> working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so.
> MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish.
_I_ think it's childish to clai
Paul Mundt wrote:
>
> You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're
> working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so.
> MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish.
Nobody chooses to work with MS, they merely take the job that's offered
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 02:11:47PM -0400, Hua Zhong wrote:
> There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is
> much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no
> other choice if they have to use a computer in their jobs (maybe they can
> Maci
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
> > In that case, I have the following options:
> > 1) Start my own ISP
> > 2) Use Windows XP
> > 3) Not use Windows XP and not be able to use my current ISP
> > 4) Go to a different ISP
Argument.
> > I'll just have to decide which I value
Paul Mundt wrote:
>
> Oh please, next you'll be blaming world hunger on MS because third world
> countries can't afford licenses of win2k.
Absolutely. If their governments didn't have to shell out such a large
amount of money on M$ licenses, they'd have more money to feed their
people with...
;
Paul Mundt wrote:
>On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote:
>
>>So as a user you are free to not use M$ products.
>>What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice.
>>
>You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're
>working with MS prod
On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote:
>On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
>>I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed
>>for using a different OS, I still have a choice.
>
>No, but you might be forced out of a job.
Apologies for the followup to a f
On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
>On Sunday 01 July 2001 13:48, you wrote:
>> Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
>> > I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not
>> > dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and
>> > Solaris, and the other op
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote:
> So as a user you are free to not use M$ products.
> What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice.
>
You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're
working with MS products, you were the one w
Hua Zhong wrote:
>-> From Kurt Maxwell Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
>
>>You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field.
>>
>
>There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is
>much easier for them and has more applications. They practically
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
> In that case, I have the following options:
> 1) Start my own ISP
> 2) Use Windows XP
> 3) Not use Windows XP and not be able to use my current ISP
> 4) Go to a different ISP
>
> I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be kil
On Sunday 01 July 2001 13:48, you wrote:
> Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote:
> > I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not
> > dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and
> > Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home).
> > Fran
-> From Kurt Maxwell Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
>
> You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field.
There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is
much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no
other choice i
On Sunday 01 July 2001 12:12, you wrote:
> > I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not
> > dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and
> > Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home).
> > Frankly, I don't have a problem
Kurt Maxwell Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not
> dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and
> Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home).
Frankly,
> I don't have a problem wit
On Sunday 01 July 2001 11:02, Rick Hohensee ignorantly blabbered:
> > Pardon me, but what does this have to do with Linux or the Linux
> > Kernel?!?! Post this on the usenet under advocacy, but please don't
> > litter up the kernel listserver with this.
>
> What this has to do with Linux is that t
>
> Pardon me, but what does this have to do with Linux or the Linux Kernel?!?!
> Post this on the usenet under advocacy, but please don't litter up the
> kernel listserver with this.
What this has to do with Linux is that throughout the whole process
Microsoft has been putting Linux in the news
gt;
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 8:36 PM
Subject: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!
>
> The two branches of the USA that pertain have now confirmed that Microsoft
> is a problem requiring an externally asserted solution, but the judicial
> branch has rejected the specific solution proposed by the e
The two branches of the USA that pertain have now confirmed that Microsoft
is a problem requiring an externally asserted solution, but the judicial
branch has rejected the specific solution proposed by the executive
branch. Three other proposed remedies are mentioned in the Washington Post
today.
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