Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Richard Gooch
Andries Brouwer writes: > Andrew Morton writes: > > > > (2) what about bootstrapping? how do you find the root device? > > > Do you do "root=/dev/hda/offset=63,limit=1235823"? Bit nasty. > > > > Ben's patch makes initrd mandatory. > > Can this be fixed? I've *never* had t

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Brad Boyer
Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 08:05:02PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > initrd is an unnecessary pain in the ass for most people. > > > It had better not become mandatory. > > > > You would not notice the difference, only your kernel would be > > a bit smaller and the RRPA

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Andries . Brouwer
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat May 19 20:07:23 2001 > > initrd is an unnecessary pain in the ass for most people. > > It had better not become mandatory. > > You would not notice the difference, only your kernel would be > a bit smaller and the RRPART ioctl disappears. W

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 08:05:02PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > initrd is an unnecessary pain in the ass for most people. > > It had better not become mandatory. > > You would not notice the difference, only your kernel would be > a bit smaller and the RRPART ioctl disappears. Would I not

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Andries . Brouwer
> initrd is an unnecessary pain in the ass for most people. > It had better not become mandatory. You would not notice the difference, only your kernel would be a bit smaller and the RRPART ioctl disappears. [Besides: we have lived with DOS-type partition tables for ten years, but they will not

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 01:30:14PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't think so. It is necessary, and it is good. > > But it is easy to make the transition painless. > Instead of the current choice between INITRD (yes/no) > we have INITRD (default built-in / external). > The built-in versio

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Andries . Brouwer
Andrew Morton writes: > > (2) what about bootstrapping? how do you find the root device? > > Do you do "root=/dev/hda/offset=63,limit=1235823"? Bit nasty. > > Ben's patch makes initrd mandatory. Can this be fixed? I've *never* had to futz with initrd. Probably most sy

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Christer Weinigel
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wrote: >The only problem I can see with this is that it removes one useful thing, >the ability to give a user access to a whole partition. > >chown wingel /dev/hda5 > >won't work anymore since there is no such device node. Apologies, this should have gone to

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Christer Weinigel
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >3. Userspace partition code proposal > > Given the above two bits, here's a brief explaination of a > proposal to move management of the partitioning scheme into > userspace, along with portions of raid startup, lvm, uuid and > mo

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Andrew Morton
Alexander Viro wrote: > > > (2) what about bootstrapping? how do you find the root device? > > Do you do "root=/dev/hda/offset=63,limit=1235823"? Bit nasty. > > Ben's patch makes initrd mandatory. > Can this be fixed? I've *never* had to futz with initrd. Probably most systems are the same.

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Alexander Viro
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Andrew Morton wrote: > Alexander Viro wrote: > > > > > (2) what about bootstrapping? how do you find the root device? > > > Do you do "root=/dev/hda/offset=63,limit=1235823"? Bit nasty. > > > > Ben's patch makes initrd mandatory. > > > > Can this be fixed? I've *neve

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Alexander Viro
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Ben LaHaise wrote: > On Sat, 19 May 2001, Alexander Viro wrote: > > > On Sat, 19 May 2001, Ben LaHaise wrote: > > > > > It's not done yet, but similar techniques would be applied. I envision > > > that a raid device would support operations such as > > > open("/dev/md0/sl

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Alexander Viro
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Andrew Clausen wrote: > Alexander Viro wrote: > > On Sat, 19 May 2001, Andrew Clausen wrote: > > > > > (1) these issues are independent. The partition parsing could > > > be done in user space, today, by blkpg, if I read the code correctly > > > ;-) (there's an ioctl for

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Ben LaHaise
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Alexander Viro wrote: > On Sat, 19 May 2001, Ben LaHaise wrote: > > > It's not done yet, but similar techniques would be applied. I envision > > that a raid device would support operations such as > > open("/dev/md0/slot=5,hot-add=/dev/sda") > > Think for a moment and you'll

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Alexander Viro
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Ben LaHaise wrote: > It's not done yet, but similar techniques would be applied. I envision > that a raid device would support operations such as > open("/dev/md0/slot=5,hot-add=/dev/sda") Think for a moment and you'll see why it's not only ugly as hell, but simply won't

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-19 Thread Ben LaHaise
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Andrew Clausen wrote: > (1) these issues are independent. The partition parsing could > be done in user space, today, by blkpg, if I read the code correctly > ;-) (there's an ioctl for [un]registering partitions) Never > tried it though ;-) I tried to imply that through t

Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace

2001-05-18 Thread Alexander Viro
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Andrew Clausen wrote: > (1) these issues are independent. The partition parsing could > be done in user space, today, by blkpg, if I read the code correctly > ;-) (there's an ioctl for [un]registering partitions) Never > tried it though ;-) ioctls are even more evil tha