Re: [RFC] BadRAM still not ready for inclusion ? (was: Re: Free Linux Driver Development!)

2007-03-07 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > >What's so hard about submitting a 200 line patch to LKML? > > that's what i was wondering about ;D > it's not the first time, that i see nice features not being submitted to lkml. > > anyway - pavel (thanks btw!) just pointed me to some param "mem=exactmap" : > > >I think functionality i

Re: [RFC] BadRAM still not ready for inclusion ? (was: Re: Free Linux Driver Development!)

2007-03-06 Thread Lee Revell
On 3/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems, that BadRAM is not being maintained very actively and the original author doesn`t seem to have the time pushing it into mainline, but i know it's actively being used by more then just a handful of people. Unfortunately there is n

Re: [RFC] BadRAM still not ready for inclusion ? (was: Re: Free Linux Driver Development!)

2007-03-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
AM-2.6.19.1.patch Sorry for being a little bit "noisy" here, but I think BadRAM is a great feature and Linux could really benefit from that. regards Roland K. Sysadmin List: linux-kernel Subject:Re: Free Linux Driver Development! From: devzero () web ! de Date:

Re: [RFC] BadRAM still not ready for inclusion ? (was: Re: Free Linux Driver Development!)

2007-03-04 Thread debian developer
/BadRAM-2.6.19.1.patch > > Sorry for being a little bit "noisy" here, but I think BadRAM is a great feature and Linux could really benefit from that. > > regards > Roland K. > Sysadmin > > > List: linux-kernel > Subject:Re: Free Linux Driver Developm

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-14 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! > > This kind of offer has _always_ been there for out-of-tree GPL drivers. > > I have contacted many different groups and driver authors over the years > > to offer my help in trying to get their code into the mainline kernel. > > > > Some take me up on the offer, others ignore it, and still

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-07 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Akemi Yagi wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:07:50 +0530, Sunil Naidu wrote: On 2/5/07, Stefan Seyfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: Wrong. I abandoned all fl

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-07 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 08:12:05AM +0100, Miguel Ojeda wrote: > > As I'm not an expert in any kind of device, so I would like to join > for any device which its type has not been assigned to any person yet > (wild card?). Also, I would code for small LCDs. Thanks, I've added you to the list. I'l

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-07 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:03:58AM -0800, Tejun Heo wrote: > I can write ATA drivers for most hardware in a few days given 1. > actually useful datasheet 2. hardware at hand 3. an ENGINEER to talk to > when I get stuck. So, sign me up. Thanks, I'll add you to the list. > It will be nice to hav

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-07 Thread Tejun Heo
Eric Sandeen wrote: Jeff Garzik wrote: Eric Sandeen wrote: Jeff Garzik wrote: Roland Dreier wrote: And I seem to recall there's more SATA chipset documentation than Jeff Garzik has time to implement support for. I seriously doubt you can come up with even a single concrete example here. Not

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 07:03:26PM +0530, Sunil Naidu wrote: > Yep, still floppies are useful. Example, when we buy a new device > (driver) with a floppy (sometimes by manufacturer). Plus, from the > customer (not user) POV, what's wrong in spending another $10 for a > FDD in a typical $1000 PC? Ma

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-07 Thread Sunil Naidu
On 2/7/07, Akemi Yagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:07:50 +0530, Sunil Naidu wrote: > On 2/5/07, Stefan Seyfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: >> >> Wron

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-07 Thread Laurent Pinchart
> > > I have a Cisco USB webcam that supposedly conforms to the "USB Video > > > Device Class", but nothing happens when I plug it into my Linux box. > > > I assume the device class is specified as part of the USB spec... > > > > Are you sure? That spec just came out not so long ago and I hav

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Miguel Ojeda
On 2/6/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:29:03PM +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: > On 2/6/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 07:59:47PM +0100, Pierre Ossman wrote: > >> Hi Greg, > >> > >> Although I am a bit of a cynic, I really hope that

floppy (Re: Free Linux Driver Development!, OT)

2007-02-06 Thread Oleg Verych
> From: Akemi Yagi > Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel > Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development! > Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:14:44 -0800 [] >> I don't think time has come for that yet, still millions of people do use >> Floppy on Linux ;-) > > So, I am not

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Akemi Yagi
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:07:50 +0530, Sunil Naidu wrote: > On 2/5/07, Stefan Seyfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: >> >> Wrong. I abandoned all floppy drives some years ago. I'

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:29:03PM +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: > On 2/6/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 07:59:47PM +0100, Pierre Ossman wrote: > >> Hi Greg, > >> > >> Although I am a bit of a cynic, I really hope that this endeavor works > >> the way you hope. > >>

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:05:10PM +0530, Sunil Naidu wrote: > >Just let me know what types of devices you are interested in working on. > > I would love to work on PC as well as Embedded stuff (Power, Intel, and > ARM). > Devices types - Audio/Video (this needs special attention for the > Linux

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 11:30, Gene Heskett wrote: >On Tuesday 06 February 2007 08:37, Sunil Naidu wrote: >>On 2/5/07, Stefan Seyfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: >>> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: >>> >

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 08:37, Sunil Naidu wrote: >On 2/5/07, Stefan Seyfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: >> >> Wrong. I abandoned all floppy drives some years ago. I'd a

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Stefan Seyfried
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:12:04AM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Stefan Seyfried wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >>On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > >>>What? Throw a fresh-faced newbie instantly into the tar-pit of despair > >>>that

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Stefan Seyfried wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: What? Throw a fresh-faced newbie instantly into the tar-pit of despair that floppy.c is? Do you want everyone just to run screaming from kernel develo

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Dave Jones
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:07:50PM +0530, Sunil Naidu wrote: > On 2/5/07, Stefan Seyfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > > > Wrong. I abandoned all floppy drives some

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Sunil Naidu
On 2/5/07, Stefan Seyfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: Wrong. I abandoned all floppy drives some years ago. I'd actually vote for removing the floppy driver from the kernel comp

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Sunil Naidu
> On 2/4/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Just let me know if you are interested in participating, and what types > >of devices you wish to write drivers for (USB, PCI, network, etc.) Yep, would love to dive into this oceanin available mode ;-) > I would like to participate; h

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-06 Thread Manu Abraham
On 2/6/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 07:59:47PM +0100, Pierre Ossman wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Although I am a bit of a cynic, I really hope that this endeavor works > the way you hope. > > I'd also like to offer my services to this quest of yours. If you get > any SD

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-05 Thread Greg KH
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 07:59:47PM +0100, Pierre Ossman wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Although I am a bit of a cynic, I really hope that this endeavor works > the way you hope. > > I'd also like to offer my services to this quest of yours. If you get > any SD, MMC or SDIO requests, feel free to pass them

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-05 Thread Greg KH
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:24:21PM +0100, Jiri Slaby wrote: > Greg KH napsal(a): > >On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:08:32PM +0100, Miguel Ojeda wrote: > >>On 2/4/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>Just let me know if you are interested in participating, and what types > >>>of devices you wish t

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-05 Thread Jiri Slaby
Greg KH napsal(a): On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:08:32PM +0100, Miguel Ojeda wrote: On 2/4/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just let me know if you are interested in participating, and what types of devices you wish to write drivers for (USB, PCI, network, etc.) I would like to participate;

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-05 Thread Stefan Seyfried
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:14:31AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:24:28PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > What? Throw a fresh-faced newbie instantly into the tar-pit of despair > > that floppy.c is? Do you want everyone just to run screaming from > > kernel development never to

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-05 Thread Greg KH
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 08:08:32PM +0100, Miguel Ojeda wrote: > On 2/4/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Just let me know if you are interested in participating, and what types > >of devices you wish to write drivers for (USB, PCI, network, etc.) > > > >thanks, > > > >greg k-h > > > >

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread Oleg Verych
> From: devzero web.de > Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel > Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development! > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:37:33 +0100 > Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ > Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/489586> > First off, compl

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread devzero
First off, compliments to this announcement, I liked it very much! Some comment regarding those "volunteers, waiting to get some real work" :) > > OK, but why isn't your army of volunteers fixing them? > They don't know about them, or they don't have the hardware to test? > Seriously, let the ke

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread Christer Weinigel
Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Or perhaps your device just needs to add some flow control to it :) Physical processes are hard to pause. :-) But yes, adding a 16kByte FIFO before the FT245 would have made life so much easier for me, but unfortunately the thing that drives the hardware cho

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread Bill Davidsen
Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jan 31 2007 08:34, David Hollis wrote: Conversely, I've seen many cases of drivers that are developed by the community, but kept out-of-kernel forever due to various reasons. Some of them are due to the code quality and the developers not accepting the feedback to get t

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread Miguel Ojeda
On 2/4/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just let me know if you are interested in participating, and what types of devices you wish to write drivers for (USB, PCI, network, etc.) thanks, greg k-h I would like to participate; however, for people who is not at USA (say, Europe), are the

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread Pierre Ossman
Hi Greg, Although I am a bit of a cynic, I really hope that this endeavor works the way you hope. I'd also like to offer my services to this quest of yours. If you get any SD, MMC or SDIO requests, feel free to pass them along to me. I am not a big fan of debug-by-email though, so I'd prefer vend

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread Greg KH
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 03:04:58AM -0800, Parav Pandit wrote: > Hi, > > So how can an individual like me having ardor, contribute in Free > driver development? What is the eligibility criteria and process for > contributing in this activity? > > In brief, I come with background of developing, ve

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread Greg KH
On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 02:29:13PM +0100, Christer Weinigel wrote: > Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Why would a userspace driver not work out for this. We already can > > saturate the USB bus with a userspace program > > That is unfortunately not quite true. I have a (unfortunately >

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread Christer Weinigel
Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why would a userspace driver not work out for this. We already can > saturate the USB bus with a userspace program That is unfortunately not quite true. I have a (unfortunately proprietary) driver for a USB device that simply cannot be implemented in usersp

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-04 Thread Michael Buesch
On Sunday 04 February 2007 07:26, Larry Finger wrote: > What is true is that none of the OFDM rates work > because of some unknown bug, probably in initialization. As a result, we are > limited to a maximum > data rate of 11Mbs, but it is still running in 802.11g mode! That's also not true for m

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-03 Thread Larry Finger
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:45:45PM EST, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 02:59:03PM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: >> I can't remember that kind of corruption ever being reported to the >> bcm43xx-dev mailing list. I came into this discussion late as I only read LKML in summary form, but

Re: [PATCH] lirc: remove backwards compatibility macro obfuscation (Was: Free Linux Driver Development!)

2007-02-02 Thread Jan Dittmer
Pekka Enberg wrote: On 2/2/07, Jan Dittmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pekka, it would be better if you could sort out most of the basic issues with lirc directly with the developers of lirc and then prepare a complete patch series and post that to lkml. Incrementally adding one driver after anot

Re: [PATCH] lirc: remove backwards compatibility macro obfuscation (Was: Free Linux Driver Development!)

2007-02-02 Thread Pekka Enberg
On 2/2/07, Jan Dittmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pekka, it would be better if you could sort out most of the basic issues with lirc directly with the developers of lirc and then prepare a complete patch series and post that to lkml. Incrementally adding one driver after another. Posting patches

Re: [PATCH] lirc: remove backwards compatibility macro obfuscation (Was: Free Linux Driver Development!)

2007-02-02 Thread Jan Dittmer
Pekka J Enberg wrote: From: Pekka Enberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 02 Feb 2007 05:54:00 +0100, Christoph Bartelmus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just made clear that I don't have the time to do the merging of LIRC drivers to the kernel myself. In fact a lot of work still needs to be done before LIR

Re: [PATCH] lirc: remove backwards compatibility macro obfuscation (Was: Free Linux Driver Development!)

2007-02-02 Thread Vincent Vanackere
On 2/2/07, Pekka J Enberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Pekka Enberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] drivers/lirc_atiusb/lirc_atiusb.c | 102 - ^^ I may be mistaken, but the lirc_atiusb module looks redondant with the driver alre

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Christoph Bartelmus
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:20:06 +0100 Greg KH wrote: > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:06:32PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> I'd really love if the same offer was extended to GPL out-of-tree >> driver trees. > > This kind of offer has _always_ been there for out-of-tree GPL > drivers. I have contacted

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Erik Mouw
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 09:45:06AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 02:59:03PM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: > > I can't remember that kind of corruption ever being reported to the > > bcm43xx-dev mailing list. > > Well I assumed it messed up the eeprom settings, since we had to

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 2/1/07, Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sometimes I might be. At least on the days I have to deal with problems in Windows (it's not even my machine, so I don't get to pick what it runs all the time. :) I haven't had particularly much luck getting a stable wireless going on linux

Re: QUATECH driver (was Free Linux Driver Development!)

2007-02-01 Thread Sergei Organov
Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> 3. Vendor driver is rather close to the generic one being in the kernel, >>so maybe it's better to improve generic one instead of adding yet >>another driver to the tree. > > Firstly can you post a patch which adds the relevant identifiers to the > curren

Re: Rewriting floppy.c was Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Al Viro
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 02:12:22PM +0100, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: > On 31 Jan 2007 11:08:14 +0100, Andi Kleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> What? Throw a fresh-faced newbie instantly into the tar-pit of despair > >> that floppy.c is? Do you w

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 04:46:38PM +0100, Michael Buesch wrote: > Nah, why do you think it will screw up the eeprom? > Did you try to completely power off the machine before rebooting > into windows? No at the time I don't think I powered it off, and I suspect that is probably what went wrong. Th

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Michael Buesch
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 23:23, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:12:31PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > You mean the bcm43xx wireless driver that's been upstream for months? > > And seems to do 802.11b only and screw up the eeprom settings so that > the windows driver gets con

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 02:59:03PM +0100, Erik Mouw wrote: > I can't remember that kind of corruption ever being reported to the > bcm43xx-dev mailing list. Well I assumed it messed up the eeprom settings, since we had to go into the advanced driver settings and change it from 802.11b only back to

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Alan
> 3. Vendor driver is rather close to the generic one being in the kernel, >so maybe it's better to improve generic one instead of adding yet >another driver to the tree. Firstly can you post a patch which adds the relevant identifiers to the current pcmcia serial driver so that 115,200 wo

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Sergei Organov
Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:41:03PM +0300, Sergei Organov wrote: >> Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> [...] >> >> And there are plenty of documented devices that no one cares enough >> >> about to submit a driver for. >> > >> > Any specific examples? I ha

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Erik Mouw
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:23:44PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:12:31PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > You mean the bcm43xx wireless driver that's been upstream for months? > > And seems to do 802.11b only and screw up the eeprom settings so that > the windows driver

Re: Rewriting floppy.c was Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Jesper Juhl
On 01/02/07, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 31 Jan 2007 11:08:14 +0100, Andi Kleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > What? Throw a fresh-faced newbie instantly into the tar-pit of despair > > that floppy.c is? Do you want everyone

Re: Rewriting floppy.c was Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
On 31 Jan 2007 11:08:14 +0100, Andi Kleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What? Throw a fresh-faced newbie instantly into the tar-pit of despair > that floppy.c is? Do you want everyone just to run screaming from > kernel development never to be seen again?

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 31 2007 18:59, Lee Revell wrote: > On 1/31/07, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> More specifically, Dave said that it "seemed rude" to just take the >> driver and send updates, but maybe the best way of dealing with >> out-of-tree drivers like lirc is to treat the out-of-tree dr

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Jeff Garzik
Lee Revell wrote: On 1/31/07, Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe a BIG reason why lots of open-source drivers are out-of-tree right now, is because lkml is perceived as being wayy too fussy and petty about 80-column lines, brackets, etc.. for new code. It's just not worth the ef

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Trent Waddington
On 2/1/07, Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not all of them. It seems it's kosher to rewrite a corp GPL driver but not a "community" one. As I said, Greg didn't say it was rude to write a new driver without consulting the author of an existing driver.. corp *or* community.. so who sai

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 1 février 2007 10:03, Trent Waddington a écrit : > On 2/1/07, Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, reengineering nvidia/ati DRM is rude to ati/nvidia, so was >> creating >> tigon3, so was rewriting from scratch the GPL drivers some ATA vendors >> published in the past, so was

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Trent Waddington
On 2/1/07, Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, reengineering nvidia/ati DRM is rude to ati/nvidia, so was creating tigon3, so was rewriting from scratch the GPL drivers some ATA vendors published in the past, so was spurning the SATA/SAS stack adaptec offered... It is rude, but the

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-02-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 1 février 2007 00:44, Greg KH a écrit : > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 06:00:15PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: >> More specifically, Dave said that it "seemed rude" to just take the >> driver and send updates, but maybe the best way of dealing with >> out-of-tree drivers like lirc is to treat the

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 01:37:58PM -0500, Bob Copeland wrote: > >Putting the "codingstyle" control aside, often it's because things look > >too hackish. > > Also sometimes the authors know it's hackish, or just don't expect it > to be generally useful to the world. I happen to own an out-of-tree

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:15:20PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le mercredi 31 janvier 2007 ?? 12:12 -0800, Greg KH a ??crit : > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:06:32PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > [Reordering for the sake of argument] > > > > There are many out-of-tree drivers (ivtv, lirc,

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:41:03PM +0300, Sergei Organov wrote: > Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] > >> And there are plenty of documented devices that no one cares enough > >> about to submit a driver for. > > > > Any specific examples? I have a long list of people who wish to write >

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Greg KH
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 10:07:53AM +1000, Trent Waddington wrote: > On 2/1/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >No, I'm going by Linus's rule here, if a person doesn't want their code > >in the kernel tree, then I'm not going to forcefully put it there. > >That's just being rude. > > Makes se

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Lee Revell
On 1/31/07, Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Randy Dunlap wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:00:15 -0500 Theodore Tso wrote: .. >> More specifically, Dave said that it "seemed rude" to just take the >> driver and send updates, but maybe the best way of dealing with >> out-of-tree drivers like li

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Mark Lord
Randy Dunlap wrote: On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:00:15 -0500 Theodore Tso wrote: .. More specifically, Dave said that it "seemed rude" to just take the driver and send updates, but maybe the best way of dealing with out-of-tree drivers like lirc is to treat the out-of-tree drivers as a kind of spec r

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Trent Waddington
On 2/1/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, I'm going by Linus's rule here, if a person doesn't want their code in the kernel tree, then I'm not going to forcefully put it there. That's just being rude. Makes sense when you put it that way. However, perhaps an offer to take over the main

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Lee Revell
On 1/31/07, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: More specifically, Dave said that it "seemed rude" to just take the driver and send updates, but maybe the best way of dealing with out-of-tree drivers like lirc is to treat the out-of-tree drivers as a kind of spec release, and just have someon

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 06:00:15PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 12:12:58PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > > > This kind of offer has _always_ been there for out-of-tree GPL drivers. > > I have contacted many different groups and driver authors over the years > > to offer my help

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:00:15 -0500 Theodore Tso wrote: > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 12:12:58PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > > > This kind of offer has _always_ been there for out-of-tree GPL drivers. > > I have contacted many different groups and driver authors over the years > > to offer my help in tr

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 12:12:58PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > This kind of offer has _always_ been there for out-of-tree GPL drivers. > I have contacted many different groups and driver authors over the years > to offer my help in trying to get their code into the mainline kernel. > > Some take me

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:06:07 -0500 Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 12:12:58PM -0800, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > > There are many out-of-tree drivers (ivtv, lirc, various webcam drivers, > > > enhanced USB keyboard handlers...) with merging not planified or taking > > > ages. >

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 12:12:58PM -0800, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > There are many out-of-tree drivers (ivtv, lirc, various webcam drivers, > > enhanced USB keyboard handlers...) with merging not planified or taking > > ages. > > See my above comment about lirc. As for the others, every

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw
On Wed, 2007-01-31 22:56:03 +0100, Willy Tarreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:13:12PM +0100, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-01-30 21:23:34 +0100, Diego Calleja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > El Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:31:01 +0100 (MET), Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL >

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Willy Tarreau
Hi, On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:13:12PM +0100, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-30 21:23:34 +0100, Diego Calleja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > El Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:31:01 +0100 (MET), Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > Don't they claim 50+? Already browsing > > > f

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Trent Waddington
On 2/1/07, Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That lists seems really outdata. - RaLink has gpl drivers (SerialMonkey maintains a better version), - Cisco IPSEC can be replaced by the userspace tool vpnc (as far as the VPN Concentrators I have to deal with), It's a wiki[1], I invite e

Re: Rewriting floppy.c was Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw
On Wed, 2007-01-31 19:24:54 +0100, Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How much different hardware does the (old)floppy.c do? I imagine that > today, where floppies phase out, there will be, in descending order: > > * USB floppy drives (atm handled by sd.c, could be better to have sf.c) >

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jan-Benedict Glaw
On Tue, 2007-01-30 21:23:34 +0100, Diego Calleja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > El Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:31:01 +0100 (MET), Jan Engelhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > escribió: > > Don't they claim 50+? Already browsing > > ftp://ftp.de.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-3.1 gives more than 2 > > screenfuls [à

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 31 2007 11:54, Auke Kok wrote: > Francois Romieu wrote: >> Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : >> [...] >> > incomplete NDAed documentation. If (as this offer implies) there are >> > good >> > driver authors waiting to do more drivering, why aren't those a >> > priority? >> >> So far nob

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 31 janvier 2007 à 12:12 -0800, Greg KH a écrit : > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:06:32PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: [Reordering for the sake of argument] > > There are many out-of-tree drivers (ivtv, lirc, various webcam > > drivers, > > enhanced USB keyboard handlers...) with mergin

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:06:32PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Hi, > > I'd really love if the same offer was extended to GPL out-of-tree driver > trees. This kind of offer has _always_ been there for out-of-tree GPL drivers. I have contacted many different groups and driver authors over the y

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 31 janvier 2007 à 20:29 +0100, Francois Romieu a écrit : > Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > [...] > > incomplete NDAed documentation. If (as this offer implies) there are good > > driver authors waiting to do more drivering, why aren't those a priority? > > So far nobody cared e

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 1/30/07, Kumar Gala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Out of interest are you was this geared to any particular SoC's/ architectures? I had in mind the sort of ARM-, PPC-, and MIPS-based SoCs that wind up in handhelds, mobiles, set-tops, and consumer-grade WiFi devices. That's an area I know passab

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Auke Kok
Francois Romieu wrote: Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : [...] incomplete NDAed documentation. If (as this offer implies) there are good driver authors waiting to do more drivering, why aren't those a priority? So far nobody cared enough to maintain a list of said out-of-tree drivers. wh

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Francois Romieu
Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : [...] > incomplete NDAed documentation. If (as this offer implies) there are good > driver authors waiting to do more drivering, why aren't those a priority? So far nobody cared enough to maintain a list of said out-of-tree drivers. -- Ueimor - To unsubscrib

Re: Rewriting floppy.c was Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 31 2007 13:58, Lennart Sorensen wrote: >On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 07:24:54PM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: >> How much different hardware does the (old)floppy.c do? I imagine that >> today, where floppies phase out, there will be, in descending order: >> >> * USB floppy drives (atm handled b

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread alan
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jan 31 2007 09:58, alan wrote: On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jan 30 2007 14:00, Roland Dreier wrote: An uncharitable vendor might decide it's not worth publishing specs, since the Linux guys can reverse engineer the Windows drive

Re: Rewriting floppy.c was Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 07:24:54PM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > How much different hardware does the (old)floppy.c do? I imagine that > today, where floppies phase out, there will be, in descending order: > > * USB floppy drives (atm handled by sd.c, could be better to have sf.c) > * FDCs on m

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Bob Copeland
Putting the "codingstyle" control aside, often it's because things look too hackish. Also sometimes the authors know it's hackish, or just don't expect it to be generally useful to the world. I happen to own an out-of-tree filesystem which I have little desire to have reviewed for mainline: onl

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Andrey Borzenkov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 January 2007 15:49, Alan wrote: > > Well, I have a long standing issue with pata_ali not detecting CD-ROM in > > DMA mode. When I rarely watch DVD I rather boot into legacy IDE kernel > > ... > > There is a general problem with some ATA

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 31 2007 09:58, alan wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: >> On Jan 30 2007 14:00, Roland Dreier wrote: >> > >> > An uncharitable vendor might decide it's not worth publishing specs, >> > since the Linux guys can reverse engineer the Windows driver just as >> > fast anyway. >

Re: Rewriting floppy.c was Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 31 2007 18:24, Adrian Bunk wrote: >On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 11:08:14AM +0100, Andi Kleen wrote: >> Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >> > What? Throw a fresh-faced newbie instantly into the tar-pit of despair >> > that floppy.c is? Do you want everyone just to run screaming from >>

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread alan
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jan 30 2007 14:00, Roland Dreier wrote: An uncharitable vendor might decide it's not worth publishing specs, since the Linux guys can reverse engineer the Windows driver just as fast anyway. And ndiswrapper gives fire to just releasing the Windo

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 31 2007 08:34, David Hollis wrote: >Conversely, I've seen many cases of drivers that are developed by the >community, but kept out-of-kernel forever due to various reasons. Some >of them are due to the code quality and the developers not accepting the >feedback to get the drivers into shap

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jeff Garzik
Jan Engelhardt wrote: On Jan 30 2007 14:00, Roland Dreier wrote: An uncharitable vendor might decide it's not worth publishing specs, since the Linux guys can reverse engineer the Windows driver just as fast anyway. And ndiswrapper gives fire to just releasing the Windows one :( Logically th

Re: Free Linux Driver Development!

2007-01-31 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Jan 30 2007 14:00, Roland Dreier wrote: > >An uncharitable vendor might decide it's not worth publishing specs, >since the Linux guys can reverse engineer the Windows driver just as >fast anyway. And ndiswrapper gives fire to just releasing the Windows one :( Jan -- - To unsubscribe from th

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