Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-12 Thread Jochen Striepe
Hi, On 12 Apr 2001, Steven Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Excuse me, but this seems to be something of a red herring. I've got > a crowd of Pentium-90 and 100 machines at work, and they get new kernels > occasionally, but I haven't built a kernel using that class of machine > in 5

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-12 Thread Steven Cole
On Thursday 12 April 2001 10:51, Horst von Brand wrote: > Steven Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > [...] > > > It would seem to me that if someone is using an older and slower machine > > to build a kernel, they are probably doing this somewhat infrequently, > > and the longer build process, alth

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-12 Thread Horst von Brand
Steven Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [...] > It would seem to me that if someone is using an older and slower machine > to build a kernel, they are probably doing this somewhat infrequently, > and the longer build process, although more painful for those few users, > should be endurable if it i

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-12 Thread Dave Jones
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Steven Cole wrote: > Excuse me, but this seems to be something of a red herring. > ... > Adding seconds or tens of seconds at this time on 2001 hardware will > seem very moot by the time 2.5/2.6 is at the point 2.4.x is now. Adding tens of seconds per build is not acceptabl

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-12 Thread Steven Cole
On Thursday 12 April 2001 06:07, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Unfortunately, I'm fairly sure that finishing gcml would take long > > enough to render the point moot, because by the time it was done the > > average Linux machine would have sped up enough for

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-12 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Unfortunately, I'm fairly sure that finishing gcml would take long > enough to render the point moot, because by the time it was done the > average Linux machine would have sped up enough for the Python > implementation not to be laggy anymore :-).

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-11 Thread esr
Aaron Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Maybe you could kill two birds with one stone by calling 1.0.0 the > prototype and rewriting it in C. If I were to become absolutely convinced that I can't get acceptable speed out of Python, I might do that. There's a gcml project that tracked the CML2 compi

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-11 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 05:46:09PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The speed problem now is in the configurator itself. > One of my post-1.0.0 challenges is to profile and tune the configurator > code to within an inch of its life. Maybe you could kill two birds with one stone by calling 1.0.0

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-11 Thread esr
Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > CML2 seems to have two other problems in my mind. Inability to parse > the existing config files. I gave upon that early for two reasons. One was practical; Michael tried this with mconfig, and (apparently) failed. Or, at least, appeared to have decided that path

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-11 Thread Alan Cox
> Eric did some performance analysis. If I recall correctly, all but 1 > or 2 seconds of CML2's runtime is in the parser. He has rewritten the > parser once. Maybe someone needs to rewrite it again, maybe propagate > some changes into the language spec to make it easier to parse, maybe > rewrit

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-11 Thread esr
Michael Elizabeth Chastain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I like mconfig, but I like CML2 better. Reminder for the rest of you: Michael *wrote* mconfig. > My primary reason is that ESR has more time to work on CML2 than I do > on mconfig. And speed problems are often the easiest problems to solve. > >

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 1.0.0 release announcement

2001-04-11 Thread Michael Elizabeth Chastain
I like mconfig, but I like CML2 better. My primary reason is that ESR has more time to work on CML2 than I do on mconfig. And speed problems are often the easiest problems to solve. Eric did some performance analysis. If I recall correctly, all but 1 or 2 seconds of CML2's runtime is in the pa