Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-10 Thread Tibor Raschko
>>> Nobody has a problem understanding "blacklist" and "whitelist". These >>> are universally understood words even outside of computing. Claiming >>> that we need clearer alternatives is smoke and mirrors. >> >> Actually, as a non-native English speaker, the first time I saw >> "list", I had to do

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-07 Thread Tibor Raschko
> Blacklist most definitely has a negative connotation in technical use. > You blacklist devices that don't work properly, you blacklist drivers > that don't work for your hardware, you blacklist domains that are > sending spam or trying to mount network attacks on your servers. Things > on the bla

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-06 Thread Tibor Raschko
> More generally etymological arguments are just not super relevant here > anyway, the issues people have are around current perceptions rather > than where things came from. This is where ignoring etymology in this case falls apart, claiming that the current meaning is more important than the his

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-06 Thread Tibor Raschko
> The suggestions you made will help us adapt inclusive terminology > for the current times, and also help us move toward terms that are > intuitive and easier to understand keeping our global developer > community in mind. > Allowlist/denylist terms are intuitive and action based which have a > g

Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology

2020-07-06 Thread Tibor Raschko
Sending the wrong message === I'm pretty sure everybody agrees that being inclusive is more than just using the right words. Being truly inclusive means not caring about the origin, birth, age, sex, skin color (amongst other things) at all. This means not judging people bas