Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012, Dotan Cohen wrote about "Motherboards for new Ubuntu install": > I will be installing Kubuntu on 4 computers for a small business who > has already decided that the computers are to be purchased from Ivory. Hi Dotan, In the last few years I purchased from Ivory several comp

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > What is specific to Ubuntu as far as MoBo is concerned? I would look at the > kernel. Are Ubuntu kernels very different? > I don't suspect that Ubuntu is very different from what could be any other distro, but I mention Ubuntu (Kubuntu, s

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Nadav Har'El wrote: > In the last few years I purchased from Ivory several computers, usually > the cheapest ones with the simplest motherboards, etc., and was always > able to run the latest Linux (I prefer Fedora, but I don't think it > matters) without any prob

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Dotan, On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:05:46AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > What is specific to Ubuntu as far as MoBo is concerned? I would look at the > > kernel. Are Ubuntu kernels very different? [...] > There is no mention of which dr

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach wrote: > You'll need to access a running > machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's manual is > not very helpful. Is that the chicken, or the egg? In other words, if I did have access to a running system, I would already k

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live CD? On 12/26/2012 02:35 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach wrote: See the list of currently (as of version 3.8-r

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they > have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live CD? > I already asked, they would not. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
On 12/26/2012 03:02 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live CD? I already asked, they would not. !@#$%^

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: *buntu does not come with the tools necessary to compile software. So that's what is special about Ubuntu... I don't use it, so "lack of tools" is a foreign concept to me. I am sure the necessary stuff can be installed though. The Gigabyte

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: > > > On 12/26/2012 03:02 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh >> wrote: >> >>> Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they >>> have an assembled computer with one of thes

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread vordoo
On 2012-12-25 23:00, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: There was time you pay a premium and buy a Linux computer, such as a VA. Linux, Dells with their own Linux distro, etc, but I think they are long gone. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/dell-releases

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
On 12/26/2012 03:11 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: On 12/26/2012 03:02 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they have an a

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Dotan, On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:29:31PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach wrote: > > You'll need to access a running > > machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's manual > > is > > not very helpful. > > Is that the chicken,

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Amichai Rotman
Dotan, Download the Windows drivers from the MpBo site, extract the files, look up the relevant strings in the .inf files and Google it for Kubuntu compatibility How about starting a Linux-IL maintained HW DB - every member runs lshw on their machine and uploads it to a site with the Distro t

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Amichai, On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 02:57:23PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote: > Download the Windows drivers from the MpBo site, extract the files, look up > the relevant strings in the .inf files and Google it for Kubuntu > compatibility I tried that. The trouble is that the Windows driver (ac

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum... I have an Atheros chip from that family on my laptop, it required me to install one more package for wired communication (wireless [different chip, also atheros] worked out of the box): 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Ather

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
E.S. Rosenberg wrote: Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum... Yes, but not always, AFAIK the last person in Israel to get a $10 USB DVB-T tuner to work under Linux was @Guy Sheffer. Since then the chipsets keep change so fast that no one can keep up with t

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Eliyahu, On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 03:45:27PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: > Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum... Of course. But there is no guarantee that the covered range exactly overlaps the Windows driver one. > I have an Atheros chip from that fami

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2012/12/26 Baruch Siach : > Hi Eliyahu, > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 03:45:27PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: >> Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum... > > Of course. But there is no guarantee that the covered range exactly overlaps > the Windows driver one. > >>

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Eliyahu, On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 04:11:57PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: > 2012/12/26 Baruch Siach : > > Hi Eliyahu, > > > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 03:45:27PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: > >> Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger > >> spectrum... > > > > Of course.

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > So that's what is special about Ubuntu... I don't use it, so "lack of > tools" is a foreign concept to me. I am sure the necessary stuff can be > installed though. > Sure, but doing so without network is a pain. It's not typing peek and p

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Baruch Siach wrote: > This board surely runs Windows. You can extract the PCI ID from its "Device > Manager", or whatever it's called there. > > Also, some BIOSes list PCI devices with IDs in the initial screen. > Thanks, I will ask if I can get that information f

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:45 PM, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: > Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum... > > I have an Atheros chip from that family on my laptop, it required me > to install one more package for wired communication (wireless > [different chip, also ath

Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread E.S. Rosenberg
2012/12/26 Dotan Cohen : > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:45 PM, E.S. Rosenberg > wrote: >> Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum... >> >> I have an Atheros chip from that family on my laptop, it required me >> to install one more package for wired communication (wir

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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

2012-12-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:29 AM, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: > Note that that is a meta-package that installs the kernel specific > package, so you'll need to download at least the kernel specific one > and the meta package is good to make sure that after a kernel upgrade > you still have the drivers. >