Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed for, > well, embedding. Correct. As plain text has no concept of a paragraph, using \n, \n\n, \r\n, \r\n\r\n, or any other convention for a paragraph is arbitrary. So if

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 01:42 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: >> I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed for, >> well, embedding. > Correct. Good. But > As plain text has no concept of a paragraph, Well, that really depends on wh

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
Schachar, I before addressing the issue at hand, I would like to state an observation. When I reply to your mail, all text is of the same quote level. That is, there is a single > at the beginning of each line, whether it is a line that you wrote or a line that I wrote. Obviously, I am replying to

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:42:20 +0300 > From: Dotan Cohen > Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > [...] plain text has no concept of a paragraph [...] That's not true. The UBA explicitly defines a paragraph as chunk of text delimited by paragraph separator characters: Paragraphs are divided by th

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 06:21 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Schachar, I before addressing the issue at hand, I would like to state > an observation. When I reply to your mail, all text is of the same > quote level. That is, there is a single > at the beginning of each > line, whether it is a line that you wrote o

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:19:01 +0300 > From: Shachar Shemesh > Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > > \r\n, \r\n\r\n, or any other convention for a paragraph is arbitrary. > Technically true, but both irrelevant and misleading. Misleading because > the choice of \n or \r\n was arbitrary, but is now

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:21:25 +0300 > From: Dotan Cohen > Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > So we have established that sections of text separated by newlines are > paragraphs. Let us return to the issue. In a plain text file, as > defined above, there does exist a method by which the author of

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0300 > From: Shachar Shemesh > Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > > Therefore there is no > > need for HTML to send RTL emails, nor is there technical need for the > > email client to guess. > Except there so no standard, de-facto or otherwise (as far as I'm aware)

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:06:14 +0300 > From: Shachar Shemesh > Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > What the standard[1] suggests, but does not > require, is the use of the first strong directional character in the > paragraph. You are wrong, it does require that. See below. > the standard sa

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 08:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0300 >> From: Shachar Shemesh >> Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >> >>> Therefore there is no >>> need for HTML to send RTL emails, nor is there technical need for the >>> email client to guess. >> Except there so no stan

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:00:07 +0300 > From: Shachar Shemesh > CC: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > On 06/25/2012 08:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:02:48 +0300 > >> From: Shachar Shemesh > >> Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > >> > >>> Therefore there is no > >>> need for HTM

Web gallery software

2012-06-25 Thread Mordechai Behar
Hi Does anybody know/use any good, open source software for hosting a gallery on a web server? Ideally it should be: - indexed - searchable - easy to browse/navigate - have author pages - links to the same artwork in several sizes - and of course have different functionality for

Re: Web gallery software

2012-06-25 Thread shimi
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Mordechai Behar < mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > Hi > Does anybody know/use any good, open source software for hosting a gallery > on a web server? > Ideally it should be: > >- indexed >- searchable >- easy to browse/navigate >- have auth

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support": > I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed > for, well, embedding. What the standard[1] suggests, but does not > require, is the use of the first s

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 09:56 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Outlook employs a higher level protocol. It is "all paragraphs are LTR, >> unless the user presses CTRL+RIGHT SHIFT, in which case all paragraphs >> are RTL". It is a valid, standard conforming protocol > Again, I think such an interpretation is again

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 06/25/2012 11:22 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Re: Linux HTML mail agent > with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support": >> I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed >> for, well, embedding. What the standard[1] suggests,

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:22:03 +0300 > From: Nadav Har'El > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Re: Linux HTML mail agent > with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support": > > I disagree completely. The embedding control characters are designed > > for, well, embedding. What th

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 04:12:01 +0300 > From: Shachar Shemesh > CC: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > On 06/25/2012 09:56 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Outlook employs a higher level protocol. It is "all paragraphs are LTR, > >> unless the user presses CTRL+RIGHT SHIFT, in which case all paragraphs >

Re: Linux HTML mail agent with RTL and LTR paragraph explicit support

2012-06-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 04:28:33 +0300 > From: Shachar Shemesh > Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > > no standard really specified what in a text file is a > > "paragraph". > And lucky for you that they don't. Even with the simple case of a plain > text file, a paragraph is defined differently depe