Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-18 Thread Geoff Shang
Hi, Sorry for the slow response. sara fink wrote: What traces you ran? I need to solve it. They are pulling on me all the nasty things. tcpdump? or other things? traceproto -k 12 -H 5 -I 10 -M 14 -w 2 -W 300 -p udp -d 5060 -o c -P 40 At the time I was using a Linux host in the US running

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-13 Thread sara fink
Thanks. My screen is 15.1". I"ll add skype group. On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/13 sara fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> HI Amos >> >> It seems that the iptables rules are cut. Can you post the whole lines >> here? Probably when you cut and paste f

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-13 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/6/13 sara fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > HI Amos > > It seems that the iptables rules are cut. Can you post the whole lines > here? Probably when you cut and paste from nano/pico this happened. They look OK on my 19" wide screen, here they are from the blog: # match all outgoing packets from gi

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
HI Amos It seems that the iptables rules are cut. Can you post the whole lines here? Probably when you cut and paste from nano/pico this happened. Supernode is on what port? I had 32323 and changed it now to other non standard port. On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
Thanks, I will try it. I even disabled the web camera because it used almost 90% CPU. I have now version 2.0.0.63 (latest version on gentoo is 2.0.068). When I talk I see that jitter jumps to high values. sometimes 600-750. On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/6/13 sara fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What traces you ran? I need to solve it. They are pulling on me all > the nasty things. > tcpdump? or other things? Almost two years ago I was bugged by the "skype uses too much traffic" claim and setup iptable rules to track this (I used to have Skype on

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
What traces you ran? I need to solve it. They are pulling on me all the nasty things. tcpdump? or other things? On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Geoff Shang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sara fink wrote: > >> Mainly I look for anomalies with skype. When I talk with my friends >> here they barely h

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
Yes, I can hear myslef. But the volume is much lower than what I speak. I bought some muller headset from supersal big. I checked all alsa configurations, maximum volume, yet I hear myself very low. When I speak with others in the country, they hear me with low volume and after few min, I hear back

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Geoff Shang
sara fink wrote: Mainly I look for anomalies with skype. When I talk with my friends here they barely hear me. At some point, I hear noises. I guess this is a bandwitdh problem or who knows what isp/hot infrastructure do. My wife and I used Hot/Barak from late April 2007 to late April 2008. M

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:03:36AM +0300, sara fink wrote: > I checked the specification. Looks like they apply a good codec which > is supposed to overcome slow bandwidth. yet I still have problems. > People barely can hear me. Can you hear yourself? Did you run an echo test? The best VoIP hea

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:53:12PM +0300, sara fink wrote: > Mainly I look for anomalies with skype. When I talk with my friends > here they barely hear me. At some point, I hear noises. I guess this > is a bandwitdh problem > or who knows what isp/hot infrastructure do. I only use the windows ver

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
I checked the specification. Looks like they apply a good codec which is supposed to overcome slow bandwidth. yet I still have problems. People barely can hear me. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsub

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Geoff Shang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sara fink wrote: > >> And in cases of skype clients pc-pc? > > Of course, Skype does other things apart from voice communications, and if > you have a connection able to act as a supernode then Skype may decide to > use it

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
The skype link you gave me, is good. Found a lot of interesting things there. I"ll check more about QoS of voip. 39% is not enough. That's from a web page that checks voip quality. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Geoff Shang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sara fink wrote: > >> Someone knows if sky

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Geoff Shang
sara fink wrote: And in cases of skype clients pc-pc? Assuming that Skype is in fact using iSAC as stated by other posters, this would be the codec used for PC to PC cals. According to the developer's spec sheet, iSAC provides 16 kHz sampling using a bitrate of 10kbps to 32kbps. http://ww

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Geoff Shang
sara fink wrote: Someone knows if skype calls placed between 2 people in Israel, passes via skype server in europe? The short answer is not necessarily. 1. Skype calls do not go through a central server. A central server is used to keep track of people's status etc. 2. If both ends of t

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Geoff Shang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > >> hmm.. seems I wrote too soon and skype are using iLBC as well as iSAC >> (probably is situations where the bandwidth is low). Sorry about that. iLBC >> is still a low band codec, though :-) > > P

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Geoff Shang
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: hmm.. seems I wrote too soon and skype are using iLBC as well as iSAC (probably is situations where the bandwidth is low). Sorry about that. iLBC is still a low band codec, though :-) Perhaps they're using it for interfacing with the PSTN? Geoff. ===

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
l providers, unless it > doesn't find a proper relay shouldn't go abbroad I meant 2 users using the home internet. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of sara fink > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:46 >

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
> Quality of voice call is measured using a score called MOS, or Mean Opinion > Score. Generally you'll get different MOS scores for calls depending on the > codec used, the latency and jitter of the media, as well as implementation > quality. Do you know what is the threshold of MOS for a good/ba

RE: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Micha Feigin
shouldn't go abbroad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sara fink Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:46 To: linux-il Subject: skype and voip questions Someone knows if skype calls placed between 2 people in Israel, passes via skype serv

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: ik wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ik wrote: The Skype codec is high-availability codec, that is, it attempt to compress the audio (and video) and giving your CPU to work a lot more, while trying to keep law bandw

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
ik wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ik wrote: The Skype codec is high-availability codec, that is, it attempt to compress the audio (and video) and giving your CPU to work a lot more, while trying to keep law bandwidth. hmm... nope. Not r

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread ik
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ik wrote: > > The Skype codec is high-availability codec, that is, it attempt to > compress the audio (and video) and giving your CPU to work a lot more, > while trying to keep law bandwidth. > > > hmm... nope. Not reall

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
sara fink wrote: Someone knows if skype calls placed between 2 people in Israel, passes via skype server in europe? It might. Technically a super-node in skype speak rather then the servers which in skype are used for authentication but never mind Is there a standard for voip? What I mean i

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
ik wrote: The Skype codec is high-availability codec, that is, it attempt to compress the audio (and video) and giving your CPU to work a lot more, while trying to keep law bandwidth. hmm... nope. Not really. Skype uses a proprietary wide band codec supplied by a third company company ca

Re: skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread ik
Skype has it's own VoIP protocol. and it does not use any common protocol such as SIP, H232 etc... The Skype codec is high-availability codec, that is, it attempt to compress the audio (and video) and giving your CPU to work a lot more, while trying to keep law bandwidth. That's of corse on theory

skype and voip questions

2008-06-12 Thread sara fink
Someone knows if skype calls placed between 2 people in Israel, passes via skype server in europe? Is there a standard for voip? What I mean is if there are limits, for download, upload, quality of service that produces a reliable conversation? ===