RE: Why most people prefer Windows

. Israel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 2:59 PM To: Uri Even-Chen Cc: Ilya Konstantinov; Linux-IL Subject: Re: Why most people prefer Windows On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Ilya Konstanti

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Ilya Konstantinov wrote: If software freedom is meaningless to you, 95% of the time non-free software gives you higher value (assuming you have the money :) I think that's why most people prefer Windows, MS Office and other non-free softwares.

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Amos Shapira wrote: Most home users care about their own money - once they won't be able to steal MS products they will start thinking about ways to save on the price of an MS Office license. YES! And the day the powers that be will start cracking down on piracy seriousl

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Let's answer two arguments in one swoop. On Saturday, 8 בOctober 2005 01:53, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > If they get used to something, they don't want to change. This is generally true but is a weak argument. As an example note how quick everybody converted from WfW-3.11 to Win95 (and it had a totall

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 01:53:17AM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Oded Shimon wrote: > >It's much much more than that. People are scared of change, they are > >scared and revoke anything that is different than the "norm", you could > >make a PERFECT windows clone in KDE somehow, and let people use

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/3/05, Oded Shimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > quite a while without knowing it. it was fine for about a month, till at And all this time without even installing the Firefox IE theme? Wow. Good for you! --Amos To unsubscribe,

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/8/05, Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ilya Konstantinov wrote: > > If software freedom is meaningless to you, 95% of the time non-free > > software gives you higher value (assuming you have the money :) > > I think that's why most people prefer Wi

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/8/05, Ilya Konstantinov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On ה', 2005-10-06 at 21:09 +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: > > Which just gave me an idea for the OO people - taking a page > > out of Firefox' book > > Which page? If you're referring to IE View, you're talking about the No, I was reffering to

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Oded Shimon wrote: It's much much more than that. People are scared of change, they are scared and revoke anything that is different than the "norm", you could make a PERFECT windows clone in KDE somehow, and let people use that, telling em it's windows and they'd be happy, give them the exact

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Ilya Konstantinov wrote: If software freedom is meaningless to you, 95% of the time non-free software gives you higher value (assuming you have the money :) I think that's why most people prefer Windows, MS Office and other non-free softwares. Most people don't care about softwa

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 10:56:25AM +0200, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: > On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 10:05:56PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > > using some version of Windows. I wonder how come most people & > > companies prefer Windows - is it because they're already used to it, or > > because they're afrai

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On ה', 2005-10-06 at 21:09 +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: > On 10/6/05, Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, but we can't actually use the standard as long as the majority of > > people can't read it. And they can't read it because they use MS > > Office. You can't send a non-MS-Office-co

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Oron Peled wrote: On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 21:22, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Thanks. It is available for Windows? On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 21:31, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I'm looking for a Free software, as in Capital F. With source code and everything. Hmmm... 9 minutes passed and I-Mu

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 21:22, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Thanks. It is available for Windows? On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 21:31, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > I'm looking for a Free software, as in Capital F. With source code and > everything. Hmmm... 9 minutes passed and I-Must-Have-a-Windows-Solu

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Hi Peter, I was not aware that the list doesn't receive files. However, I didn't receive this message from the list at all (I do receive other messages I send). So I got the impression that the list didn't receive my message at all. That's why I sent it again (and then again, without the file)

Re: [Fwd: Re: Why most people prefer Windows]

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I'm sending again - without the file. Why Linux-IL doesn't receive files? Because we prefer to receive VBA macro viruses via regular email. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Peter wrote: Is there any Free software which can edit PDF files and convert them to other formats? http://www.google.co.il/search?q=convert+pdf+to+html+free A link to Google doesn't help much. There are many non-free applications out there. If yo

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/6/05, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/6/05, Gil Freund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PDF is the same as a printed document. It's a one way street. > > That's the common wizdom but I was surprised to learn that > KOffice can actually open and edit PDF files. I haven't played >

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On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > I'm trying to send this message again, it didn't work the first time. > > Uri. Dear Uri, since you sent the message to the list and to me by cc for the second time, I got the message with the attachment and the list got the message without the atta

[Fwd: Re: Why most people prefer Windows]

I'm sending again - without the file. Why Linux-IL doesn't receive files? Uri. Original Message Subject: Re: Why most people prefer Windows Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:27:43 +0300 From: Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Speedy Net To: Peter <[E

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Peter wrote: Is there any Free software which can edit PDF files and convert them to other formats? http://www.google.co.il/search?q=convert+pdf+to+html+free A link to Google doesn't help much. There are many non-free applications out there. If you check the websites on the Google page you

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Tzafrir Cohen wrote: It's a free market. Then can either support the new standard and still keep that client or not support it and force the every civil servant to have OpenOffice (or a different conforming word processor) installed on his/her desktop. I agree. It's good to have a standard. B

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Oded Arbel wrote: As previously stated, KWord from the KDE Office suite can open and edit PDF documents, and then save them to any other supported format (OpenDocument, for example). Granted, you lose a lot of formating - it doesn't convert the graphics and you lose all non-trivial styling, but

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 06/10/2005, at 14:09, Amos Shapira wrote: Another idea - provide a lightweight "reader" version of OpenOffice which will (also hopefully) be much lighter than the full-fledged package. MS used to provide FREE office readers (maybe they still do). There is a project attempting to do that

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 06/10/2005, at 13:52, Erez D wrote: i just wanted to state that OO is the same as word in 'changing the defualt format' in word 2003 i can save also in RTF, but if i get a doc in word2003, i need someone to do that for me. same with getting OO 2.0 format when i only have OO 1.1 OpenOff

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:52:31PM +0200, Erez D wrote: > On 10/6/05, Marc A. Volovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Quoth Erez D: > > > what mailer are you using (what is 'Quoth' ? ) OT: some useful tools: 'dict quoth' gives me: Quoth \Quoth\ (kw[=o]th or kw[u^]th), v. t. [AS. cwe[eth]a

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 01:41:54PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > > > >And recently Massachusetts declared it to be the official documents > >format for all govrement workers as of 2007. Which probably means > >MS-Office will be forced to support it as well by then. > > And what happens until 2007?

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Quoth Erez D: > what mailer are you using (what is 'Quoth' ? ) mutt and thunderbird. quoth from mutt. > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run t

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Aaron wrote: The answer from a technical writer is no, not with MS office, not with OO, not with anything other than pdf. I had a client that no matter what I did if I sent an office 2000 document to them it never looked right. (we were both using of

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Thursday, 6 בOctober 2005 12:50, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > But you can't edit a PDF file with MS Office. > > Is there any Free software which can edit PDF files and convert them > to other formats? As previously stated, KWord from the KDE Office suite can open and edit PDF documents, and then sav

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/6/05, Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, but we can't actually use the standard as long as the majority of > people can't read it. And they can't read it because they use MS > Office. You can't send a non-MS-Office-compatible files to such people. > It will not work. They will

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/6/05, Marc A. Volovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quoth Erez D: what  mailer are you  using  (what is 'Quoth' ? ) > 1. firefox (even on windows) does not support a lot of israely sites: my > nephue can't play at fun.walla.com , i can't reach> yes's program guide, etcTrue

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Aaron wrote: The answer from a technical writer is no, not with MS office, not with OO, not with anything other than pdf. I had a client that no matter what I did if I sent an office 2000 document to them it never looked right. (we were both using office 2000) That is why pdf is the only or o

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Oron Peled wrote: On Wednesday, 5 בOctober 2005 12:54, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I think there should be a standard for office file formats, and the standard should not be owned by MS. There is. It is called OpenDocument (by OASIS). Tzafrir already pointed you to the Massachusetts decision to use

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Tzafrir Cohen wrote: /me reminds Uri and Peter of an enlightened decision of some people in Massachusetts, that was already linked to in this thread. Yes, there is such a standard: Sun has submitted OpenOffice 1's document format to OASIS as a standard candidate. After some ammende

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Quoth Erez D: > 1. firefox (even on windows) does not support a lot of israely sites: my > nephue can't play at fun.walla.com , i can't reach > yes's program guide, etc True. Absolutely true. Linux is - alas - not yet for children. > 2. OO: even with OO 2.0 beta, i tried re

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

I am also thinking of moving to linux-only for about 10 years now, both in work and home (my own system has always had dual os via dual boot, colinux, vmware, etc ..) 1. firefox (even on windows) does not support a lot of israely sites: my nephue can't play at fun.walla.com, i can't reach yes's pr

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

There is supposed to be hebrew support but as far as I know it hasn't materialized :( but many xml formats do support hebrew. Aaron On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 06:49 +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: > On 10/6/05, Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For profesional use I use DocBook, from docbook I can make

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/6/05, Gil Freund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PDF is the same as a printed document. It's a one way street. That's the common wizdom but I was surprised to learn that KOffice can actually open and edit PDF files. I haven't played with it a lot but it looked useable with the one or two docume

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/5/05, Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > even if the formatting is d. > > The document I receive is only one part. The bigger part is the document > > I need to send back to the client. Will it look the same on the client's > > machine? > > The answer from a technical writer is no, not

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/6/05, Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For profesional use I use DocBook, from docbook I can make html, pdf, > rtf svg to name a few output formats. How is Hebrew support with DocBook? If there is any - how do you edit Hebrew DocBook? --Amos ==

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Well, I worked as a tecwriter, and there were two shows MS Word and FrameMaker, The first is not really a techwriting tool but is used as such, and it is buggy, and I mean buggy. The second is a real tool, but a pain to learn and a pain to use. I personally hate word processors and avoid them i

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

> even if the formatting is d. > The document I receive is only one part. The bigger part is the document > I need to send back to the client. Will it look the same on the client's > machine? The answer from a technical writer is no, not with MS office, not with OO, not with anything other

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wednesday, 5 בOctober 2005 12:54, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > I think there should be a standard for office file formats, and the > standard should not be owned by MS. There is. It is called OpenDocument (by OASIS). Tzafrir already pointed you to the Massachusetts decision to use it. It is supported

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 06:18:56PM +0300, Peter wrote: > > >And recently Massachusetts declared it to be the official documents > >format for all govrement workers as of 2007. Which probably means > >MS-Office will be forced to support it as well by then. > > The man in charge paid no attention t

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

And recently Massachusetts declared it to be the official documents format for all govrement workers as of 2007. Which probably means MS-Office will be forced to support it as well by then. The man in charge paid no attention to the judgement of a US federal judge in a US federal court and go

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 12:54:07PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > I think there should be a standard for office file formats, and the > standard should not be owned by MS. MS don't want a standard, they > don't want to be compatible with other softwares. They own the market. > I think there shoul

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 01:01:48PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > >Paraphrasing on that: > > > >When I upgraded from MS-Word to OOo I also had some problems of > >incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with OOo. > >But once you upgrade a document, you don't

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Tzafrir Cohen wrote: >> Paraphrasing on that: >> >> When I upgraded from MS-Word to OOo I also had some problems of >> incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with OOo. But once >> you upgrade a document, you don't use it with the old

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Peter wrote: ... And the standard has to be open, as in free beer. I agree. Best Regards, Uri Even-Chen Speedy Net Raanana, Israel. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +972-9-7715013 Website: www.uri.co.il ==

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Peter wrote: Right. And public libraries, county registrars, notaries, lawyers, the courts, the police, the government standards office and three dozen other categories of people who keep records for slightly longer than 2-3 years (not to say more tha

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I think many people on this mailing list are interested in this subject. Yes, they are. Look at the pretty flames ... Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the wor

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Paraphrasing on that: When I upgraded from MS-Word to OOo I also had some problems of incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with OOo. But once you upgrade a document, you don't use it with the old MS-Office version. So you need to upgrade each document

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Peter wrote: Right. And public libraries, county registrars, notaries, lawyers, the courts, the police, the government standards office and three dozen other categories of people who keep records for slightly longer than 2-3 years (not to say more than 2000 years in certain cases) should use Wo

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 11:29:33AM +0300, Peter wrote: > For each of the about 100 documents/day produced in a small office, over > the last cca. 3-4 years, including those on backup disks from the > previous 3-4 years, and the Einstein documents since before that ? About once a month, I see req

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Gilboa Davara wrote: After sifting through this thread, and the the one that followed (firefox, etc) it, I'm forced to ask the obvious: Why did you post this message in the first place? * You like Windows. * You rather no spend the time require to learn (?) Firefox (!!!) and/or OpenOffice. * You

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Marc A. Volovic wrote: Quoth Peter: I do not agree here. You do not 'educate' correspondents. imho you have to match them as a client and/or service provider or peer as much as possible. Well - it pretty much depends on relationship with the correspondent. If the corres

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 01:42:48AM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > When I upgraded from Word 97 to Office 2000 I also had some problems of > incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with Office > 2000. But once you upgrade a document, you don't use it with the old > Office version.

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Quoth Peter: > I do not agree here. You do not 'educate' correspondents. imho you have > to match them as a client and/or service provider or peer as much as > possible. Well - it pretty much depends on relationship with the correspondent. If the correspondent is either your client or supplier

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Let's address the ad-hominem first. It is a fine tactic, one I personally am very fond of. In the case of Israelis, it is often the best and - alas - the only tactic. So - good job, Peter. Uhh, I've been in this country too long I think. Or I know the locals too well. Or both. As to Uri's

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: It's not just a perception. I checked. And I'm a computer geek, A computer geek on this list is an OO user ;-) When I upgraded from Word 97 to Office 2000 I also had some problems of incompatibility. Some old documents looked differently with Offi

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Quoth Peter: > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > >Most people use non-free software. Even FireFox has plugins which are [snip] > >Office format. Word, Excel, Powerpoint - you name it. I can't and > >don't want to ignore them. > DID you EVER try OO or are you too scared because it might

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Oron Peled wrote: No. Instead of waiting for some magical law to solve your problem, you can use free software. This is what we all do, so we don't have to dance to the tune of companies (MS or others). Most people use non-free software. Even FireF

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

After sifting through this thread, and the the one that followed (firefox, etc) it, I'm forced to ask the obvious: Why did you post this message in the first place? * You like Windows. * You rather no spend the time require to learn (?) Firefox (!!!) and/or OpenOffice. * You find it acceptable that

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Peter wrote: Assume you have Office 2000. You compose a Word document using the super duper templates and one teensy VBA stub you don't even notice or know about, and which uses a feature not present in W97. You send it to someone who uses O97. Is it

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Amos Shapira wrote: My take from your statement is that people just PRECIEVE that OO is less compatible just because it comes from a different source while in practice it might have better support for legacy MS documents than MS Office itself. It's not just a perception. I checked. And I'm a

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Wednesday, 5 בOctober 2005 00:16, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Which means, I have to be able to read MS Office documents from these > ... > I can't and don't want to ignore them. But you seem to ignore the fact that you *can* do this using free software. You keep repeating that the conversion is not

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Amos Shapira wrote: On 10/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quoting Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: The same problem is with FireFox - it doesn't come with Windows, you have to install it. I know of quite a few people who switched to FireFox but wouldn't switch from MS-

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Oron Peled wrote: No. Instead of waiting for some magical law to solve your problem, you can use free software. This is what we all do, so we don't have to dance to the tune of companies (MS or others). Most people use non-free software. Even FireFox has plugins which are not free. Most peop

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/4/05, Uri Bruck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you believe that OpenOffice somehow solves all compatibility > problems, many examples of which you appear to be able to detail, please > let me know how. It was explained in this thread numerous times: OpenOffice supports all MS Office format

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/4/05, Uri Bruck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The document I receive is only one part. The bigger part is the document > I need to send back to the client. Will it look the same on the client's > machine? Have you tried or are you falling to the same preceived trap these people tell you about

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > The same problem is with FireFox - it doesn't come with Windows, you > > have to install it. > I know of quite a few people who switched to FireFox but wouldn't switch from > MS-Office to Ope

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/4/05, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you the only one providing support? What about the rest of the > family? Unfortunatly I'm not in a position to provide her all the support by myself so I have to rely on other's help sometimes, and they don't know anything about Linux (har

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 01:30:46AM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > >/me reminds everybody of an enlightened decision of some people in > >Massachusetts. > > You wrote this sentence twice. What do you mean? Sorry for not > understanding. I forgot to delete it once. Anyway,

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Tuesday, 4 בOctober 2005 21:59, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > [... long explanation about how MS pushes for upgrade ...] > The only way to overcome it is forcing it by law. No. Instead of waiting for some magical law to solve your problem, you can use free software. This is what we all do, so we don'

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Peter wrote: Assume you have Office 2000. You compose a Word document using the super duper templates and one teensy VBA stub you don't even notice or know about, and which uses a feature not present in W97. You send it to someone who uses O97. Is it compatible ? Is that what you are saying ?

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Peter wrote: So adding one more program to the mix adds that many more things that can be incompatible. I am no longer following you here: What do you propose ? I wasn't proposing anything. I wrote: " Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues. For people who ar

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

So adding one more program to the mix adds that many more things that can be incompatible. I am no longer following you here: What do you propose ? Knowing that OO has the option to save in W97 or W2k format (besides other formats): Assume you have Office 2000. You compose a Word document u

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Peter wrote: I'm telling it as they tell me. People who are aware of the incompatibility between MS Office document versions are more likely to try something else in the hope the document will open somehow. And with OO, it does, even if the formatting is d. The document I receive i

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Tuesday, 4 בOctober 2005 00:30, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > OK, I tried now and installed the Flash plug-in, but it should come > with it pre-installed like in MS IE. Last time I had a new windows(XP) 'puter to play with it didn't come with flash installed. When I got to a flash web site it downlo

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

I'm telling it as they tell me. People who are aware of the incompatibility between MS Office document versions are more likely to try something else in the hope the document will open somehow. And with OO, it does, even if the formatting is d. The document I receive is only one part.

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Peter wrote: Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues. For people who are painfully aware of compatibility problems between different versions of MS-Word, OpenOffice may not seem very attractive. This isn't just a matter of cost, it's also a matter of the time spe

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues. For people who are painfully aware of compatibility problems between different versions of MS-Word, OpenOffice may not seem very attractive. This isn't just a matter of cost, it's also a matter of the time spent to give it a

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's "U.S. vs. Microsoft" and the very first sentence on screen is : "This document is available in three formats: this web page (for browsing content), PDF (comparable to original document formatting), and WordPerfect 5.1. " No MS format? Of course not! LOL! Uri Ev

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Tzafrir Cohen wrote: /me reminds everybody of an enlightened decision of some people in Massachusses. You wrote this sentence twice. What do you mean? Sorry for not understanding. Firefox on windows? Do you honestly say that you have problems installing flash on it? What version do you use?

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Quoting Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The same problem is with FireFox - it doesn't come with Windows, you > have to install it. I know of quite a few people who switched to FireFox but wouldn't switch from MS-Office to OpenOffice. > > I also tried Open Office and went back to MS Office

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Quoting Oron Peled <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sunday, 2 áOctober 2005 22:05, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > > ... I wonder how come most people & companies prefer Windows > > - is it, ... or because, ... or because, ... or because > > To save all of us time, I suggest you start by reading: > http://

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: And I repeat my earlier question: is there anywhere I can buy a desktop computer in Israel with Linux pre-installed? Is there a simple (does not ask questions) for open-office, firefox, thunderbird, 7-zip, gimp and other good free programs for windows?

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 03:54:41PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Amos Shapira wrote: > >My mom just got her first computer a year ago and until today she has no > >clue as to what she sees on the screen, even though she somehow manages > >to achieve some very basic goals with it. I bet I could have

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Amos Shapira wrote: My mom just got her first computer a year ago and until today she has no clue as to what she sees on the screen, even though she somehow manages to achieve some very basic goals with it. I bet I could have helped her a lot more remotely if she had a Linux on her desktop but ev

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Can we please recall that Linux-IL is supposed to be a *technical* Linux list? Thanks. Now, on a more positive note - Shana Tova to everybody, whether you run Red Hat, Gentoo, KDE, GNOME, Emacs, or vi! -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/2/05, Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope I'm not stepping on open wounds here, but I want to raise this > discussion. My father has a computer with Windows 98, and he asked me > to check it for technical problems. I told him that Windows 98 is old > and obsolete, so he should

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 07:36:38PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: > On 10/3/05, Anatoly Vorobey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's because Windows is easier for them to learn and use than the > > alternatives. > > That's the exact misconcept the open source community (or actually, almost > any MS riv

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On 10/3/05, Anatoly Vorobey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's because Windows is easier for them to learn and use than the > alternatives. That's the exact misconcept the open source community (or actually, almost any MS rival) has to fight. My mom just got her first computer a year ago and until

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 10:05:56PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > using some version of Windows. I wonder how come most people & > companies prefer Windows - is it because they're already used to it, or > because they're afraid of changing, or because they want to use a > specific software which is

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

Peter's comments are correct. However, the average low-end - not power MS Office / XP user - relates to Windows in a generic way. In other words, Windows in KDE is still Windows and OO is still Office. danny Peter wrote: On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Hi people, I hope I'm no

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Sunday October 2 2005 22:05, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > I hope I'm not stepping on open wounds here, but I want to raise this Ouch! Oi! Aiieee! -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people? ===

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Hi people, I hope I'm not stepping on open wounds here, but I want to raise this discussion. My father has a computer with Windows 98, and he asked me to check it for technical problems. I told him that Windows 98 is old and obsolete, so he should eit

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

On Sunday, 2 בOctober 2005 22:05, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > ... I wonder how come most people & companies prefer Windows > - is it, ... or because, ... or because, ... or because To save all of us time, I suggest you start by reading: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm It will

Why most people prefer Windows

Hi people, I hope I'm not stepping on open wounds here, but I want to raise this discussion. My father has a computer with Windows 98, and he asked me to check it for technical problems. I told him that Windows 98 is old and obsolete, so he should either upgrade to Windows XP or start using Lin

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