Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-17 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Kvm lite is not very interesting. As for VirtualBox - if you want to run one VM, especially if you are on win or mac, virtualbox is really cool. Whenthe amount of VMs is measured in tens, id use KVM. Gilad Amos Shapira wrote: 2009/9/16 Arie Skliarouk : Yes. We use xen heavily on CentOS 5 a

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-17 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Hi, We developed and support for years now a software product for tech support centers that uses KVM as a hypervisor. One installation at Canon in Japan runs 35 concurrent Vista/win2k/xp and soon Win7 instances. Each session is about a minute long (it is used by tech support people to help them

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-17 Thread Lev Olshvang
Hi Gilad, Have you heard of KVM-lite  ? (KVM that doesn't require virtualization features from processor) In what sense  "KVM rocks", do we have any benchmark of KVM versus VirtualBox  ? I saw a post from Ingo Molnar stating that context number of context switches in KVM reduced dramatically

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-16 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 15:53:10 geoffrey mendelson wrote: > On Sep 16, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Amos Shapira wrote: > > I've never considered VirtualBox (or VMware, for that matter) for > > anything except that it's included in Ubuntu for desktop, and it had a > > very easy interface to setup Wind

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-16 Thread Ohad Levy
How is KVM as a desktop? I mean in VMWare there is a special windows display driver which makes it look very natural (and resizeable) For a server I would also support KVM, the only bad thing I have to say about it is its buggy PXE rom stack. Ohad 2009/9/16 Gilad Ben-Yossef > Amos Shapira wro

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-16 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Sep 16, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Amos Shapira wrote: I've never considered VirtualBox (or VMware, for that matter) for anything except that it's included in Ubuntu for desktop, and it had a very easy interface to setup Windows quickly. I saw the reference to libvirt in the RHEL 5.4 announcement and

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-16 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/9/16 Oron Peled : > On Wednesday, 16 בSeptember 2009 00:24:16 Amos Shapira wrote: >> Yes. We use xen heavily on CentOS 5 at work and am pretty excited that >> RH 5.4 is out with KVM "preview tech", I'm not an expert but got the >> impression that KVM might get things better than Xen eventually

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-16 Thread Oron Peled
On Wednesday, 16 בSeptember 2009 00:24:16 Amos Shapira wrote: > Yes. We use xen heavily on CentOS 5 at work and am pretty excited that > RH 5.4 is out with KVM "preview tech", I'm not an expert but got the > impression that KVM might get things better than Xen eventually. If your CPU support virtu

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-16 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/9/16 Gilad Ben-Yossef : > Don't mean to dis  Xen or anyone, but... > > You can drop the "eventually". KVM rocks :-) Care to give more details? Especially compared to Xen? I googled for "kvm vs. xen" but all the links I found so far talk about KVM's potential (and are a bit outdated). A view b

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-16 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Amos Shapira wrote: 2009/9/16 Arie Skliarouk : Yes. We use xen heavily on CentOS 5 at work and am pretty excited that RH 5.4 is out with KVM "preview tech", I'm not an expert but got the impression that KVM might get things better than Xen eventually. Don't mean to dis Xen or anyone, b

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-16 Thread sara fink
At http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads you will see at the top VirtualBox binaries. If you then click on VirtualBox 3.0.6 for linux hosts link you will get to the link that Michael mentioned http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads and have the binaries of your distribution. Probably u

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread Michael Ben-Nes
Try here:http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads -- Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director. http://www.epoch.co.il - weaving the Net. Cellular: 054-4848113 -- On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 a

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/9/16 Arie Skliarouk : > Hi, > > Depends. > Both Ubuntu and RedHat push KVM as the virtualization solution. IMHO it is > the fastest from the three. It is also most open one. Yes. We use xen heavily on CentOS 5 at work and am pretty excited that RH 5.4 is out with KVM "preview tech", I'm not a

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/9/16 sara fink : > you need to have the virtualbox-bin to have support for usb. Where do you get it? I see only "virtualbox-ose" on Ubuntu 9.04, which is 2.1.4. On virtualbox.org there are later version 3.0.6 but nothing mentions "virtualbox-bin". --Amos ___

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread Ohad Levy
I'm using VMPlayer with Ubuntu running windows in a virtual machine and I didn't need to do anything special to get audio running I also like it very much that you can resize on the fly the virtual client, very useful if you need to connect your server to an external beamer for presentations etc.

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Hi, Depends. Both Ubuntu and RedHat push KVM as the virtualization solution. IMHO it is the fastest from the three. It is also most open one. The free version of VirtualBox has no USB support but has excellent 3D support, so it is ideal for games. VMWare is ok, but I don't like it's integration

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread sara fink
you need to have the virtualbox-bin to have support for usb. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Amos Shapira wrote: > 2009/9/15 Michael Ben-Nes : > > If your primary OS is the Linux one, then I recommend installing it as a > > host and use VirtualBox ( basically because its so easy to use ) > > I

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread Michael Ben-Nes
on you choose. >> >> Rony >> >> -Original Message- >> From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto: >> linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] >> On Behalf Of David Suna >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:53 AM >> To: linux-il >> Subject:

RE: RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread ronys
inux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] > On Behalf Of David Suna > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:53 AM > To: linux-il > Subject: Virtualization recommendation > > I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a > free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able t

Re: [!! SPAM] RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread David Suna
9 8:53 AM To: linux-il Subject: Virtualization recommendation I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the futu

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread Aharon Schkolnik
On Tuesday 15 September 2009, David Suna wrote: > I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a > free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu > is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in > the future) using virtualiz

RE: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread ronys
ss of the virtualization solution you choose. Rony -Original Message- From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto:linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] On Behalf Of David Suna Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:53 AM To: linux-il Subject: Virtualization recommendation I just bought a new Gatew

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/9/15 Michael Ben-Nes : > If your primary OS is the Linux one, then I recommend installing it as a > host and use VirtualBox ( basically because its so easy to use ) I used VirtualBox on Ubuntu 32 bit to install Windows XP, just to try to see if Skype 4 for windows will work - but then discove

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-15 Thread Michael Ben-Nes
If your primary OS is the Linux one, then I recommend installing it as a host and use VirtualBox ( basically because its so easy to use ) If you intend to play 3D games on win7 then note that it wont work on a vitalized OS. In my case I just created a separated portion just for win7 / games. As fo

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-14 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 15 September 2009 08:53:23 David Suna wrote: > I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a > free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu > is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in > the future) using v

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-14 Thread raz ben yehuda
I have a linux linux installed and have a vmware guest as windows. I managed to run wifi & sound this way. what is the purpose of your laptop ? On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 08:53 +0300, David Suna wrote: > I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a > free upgrade to Windows

Re: Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-14 Thread Dotan Shavit
On Tuesday 15 September 2009, David Suna wrote: > I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a > free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu > is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in > the future) using virtualiz

Virtualization recommendation

2009-09-14 Thread David Suna
I just bought a new Gateway laptop that comes with Windows Vista (and a free upgrade to Windows 7). I want to be able to run both Linux (Ubuntu is my preferred distribution) and Windows (Vista for now, Windows 7 in the future) using virtualization. I have not gotten into virtualization until