Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-30 Thread Erez D
how about user-mode-linux, isn't it better for this perpose (i.e. as a sandbox) ?On 8/29/06, Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:37:13PM +0300, Gil Freund wrote:> >Yes, but that makes the domU trusted (an attacker with root access ot > >the domU can easily take dow

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-29 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:37:13PM +0300, Gil Freund wrote: > >Yes, but that makes the domU trusted (an attacker with root access ot > >the domU can easily take down the entire machine - unless you have an > >isolation capable IOMMU) > > Can you elaborate a little more? Does this mean that if the

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-29 Thread Gil Freund
On 8/29/06, Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:21:36PM +0300, Gil Freund wrote: > I was asked about putting a firewall in Virtual Server environment. > As far as I can tell, XEN will allow me to assign a NIC as a PCI > desvice to a DomU. Yes, but that makes th

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-29 Thread Gil Freund
On 8/29/06, Oleg Goldshmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Gil Freund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was asked about putting a firewall in Virtual Server environment. You may be interested in this VMware appliance[1,2] This means it's doable. My concern is "Is it wise to do it?". http://www

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-29 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
"Gil Freund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was asked about putting a firewall in Virtual Server environment. You may be interested in this VMware appliance[1,2] http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/245 - a winning entry (3rd prize) to the VMware Ultimate Virtual Appliance Challenge

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-29 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 11:36:27AM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Solution: RTFM ethtool for the command line option to disable hardware > offloading of checksum calculation. ethtool -K ethN tx off > Muli, > This seems to me like a conceptual bug in the way Xen determines which > is the true de

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:17:53AM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > >> If you do set it up like that (and I did), please be sure to turn off >> hardware checksum generation for TCP/IP, or you'll have trouble >> connecting from the Xen machines that are behind the firew

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:17:53AM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > >> If you do set it up like that (and I did), please be sure to turn off >> hardware checksum generation for TCP/IP, or you'll have trouble >> connecting from the Xen machines that are behind the firew

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-29 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:17:53AM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > If you do set it up like that (and I did), please be sure to turn off > hardware checksum generation for TCP/IP, or you'll have trouble > connecting from the Xen machines that are behind the firewall to the > internet There were s

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-29 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:21:36PM +0300, Gil Freund wrote: > I was asked about putting a firewall in Virtual Server environment. > As far as I can tell, XEN will allow me to assign a NIC as a PCI > desvice to a DomU. Yes, but that makes the domU trusted (an attacker with root access ot the domU

Re: Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gil Freund wrote: > Hi, > > I was asked about putting a firewall in Virtual Server environment. > As far as I can tell, XEN will allow me to assign a NIC as a PCI > desvice to a DomU. VMware will only allow the usage of the NIC as > bridge (albeit, without an IP address). Huh? If you do set it up

Virtual firewalls (Xen/VMware)

2006-08-28 Thread Gil Freund
Hi, I was asked about putting a firewall in Virtual Server environment. As far as I can tell, XEN will allow me to assign a NIC as a PCI desvice to a DomU. VMware will only allow the usage of the NIC as bridge (albeit, without an IP address). My worries: 1. Will a DoS on the firewall "leak" to