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Subject: Re: Propaganda Point (was: Re: linux support companies in Israel)
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:40:09PM +0300, Omer Zak wrote:
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> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Gil Freund w
Tzafrir Cohen wrote on 2003-09-22:
> Not only for NT. Lately support has been withdrawn for win95 and win98.
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> The support contracts from RH and SuSE for their "enterprise" products
> is for 5-6 years. More than the time since the launch of both win95 and
> winnt.
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Not since the launch of win95
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 01:40:09PM +0300, Omer Zak wrote:
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> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Gil Freund wrote:
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> > > Before one hails and advocates OSS one has to educated for better IT
> > > thinking:
> > > Find out what the business requirement are.
> > > Strip out MS-tal
> Speaking of BSA and M$abuses, how about emphasizing the fact that MS are
> withdrawing WinNT support and forcing you to upgrade your legacy WinNT
> systems to WinXP if you want patches against threats like MSBlaster or
> SoBig.F?
1) BSA- Whenever I talk to an MS user about the option to work wit
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Gil Freund wrote:
> > Before one hails and advocates OSS one has to educated for better IT
> > thinking:
> > Find out what the business requirement are.
> > Strip out MS-talk (mail and scheduling instead of exchange...).
> > List the true functional
Gil Freund wrote:
Gabor Szabo wrote:
Freedom ?
Not in the Israeli business vocabulary...
Before one hails and advocates OSS one has to educated for better IT
thinking:
Find out what the business requirement are.
Strip out MS-talk (mail and scheduling instead of exchange...).
List the true functio
Gabor Szabo wrote:
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If these are true, then what is the value proposition of FOSS in Israel ?
Technical superiority ?
Yes! First and foremost!
Ease of use ?
Tricky question. Easy for who? Easy how?
A sysdmin, a user and manager will have a completely different set of
perspectives on what is
Interesting points from someone who probably understands
th IT market in Israel.
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Gil Freund wrote:
> If you will go to the oparation manager most Israeli bussinesses, they
> will not have a clue on how to change vendors or IT outsourcing, be it
> Linux, Windows or Novell.
>
Gabor Szabo wrote:
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Where are the companies that provide support for Linux in Israel ?
Why does anyone expect on this list that any company will reasonably
evaluate Linux if it cannot find several vendors that could support it.
I hardly think this is that main issue. Most major IT firms (IGS,
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 21:45, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
>Gabor
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> The reason this list is out of date is that there is no way to say "Hey,
> I'm no longer a member, please remove my name", and no incentive either.
You may adopt the following model: once in a while (say a year)
Gabor Szabo wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Rony Shapiro wrote:
Where are these vendors in Israel ?
Maybe HaMakor should maintain a list of individuals and companies that
can provide support for Linux.
http://iglu.org.il/cgi-bin/consultants/main.pl would be a good place to
start, perhaps.
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
> Very partial list of various levels and kinds of support providers:
thanks
> You might also want to check my .sig :-)
nice name !
> > Where are these vendors in Israel ?
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> The exact same place they were 2 years ago in the US - Israel IT market (
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 16:08, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> Shlomo Yona wrote in another thread about laptop installation:
> >I wonder if there is any local (Israeli) company or if there are
> >individuals who are willing to tackle and solve such software/hardware
> > configurations problems (for a
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 16:50, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> This is a start though I guess if Shachar is not in the list it
> either means he was not aware of it or he does not think it
> has any value to the potential customer.
There are others who aren't on the list. The reasons are various, and
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Rony Shapiro wrote:
> > Where are these vendors in Israel ?
> >
> > Maybe HaMakor should maintain a list of individuals and companies that
> > can provide support for Linux.
> >
>
> http://iglu.org.il/cgi-bin/consultants/main.pl would be a good place to
> start, perhaps. (Disc
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Gabor Szabo wrote:
> Where are the companies that provide support for Linux in Israel ?
> Why does anyone expect on this list that any company will reasonably
> evaluate Linux if it cannot find several vendors that could support it.
>
I was actually approached by one company
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