RE: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-22 Thread Chen Shapira
> Mozilla is blamed to be a boateware because of "over-design". > Their basic > ceocept is that everything should be displayed by their html rendering > engine (gecko). This means that the GUI is relatively slow > and has a large > size. No, Mozilla is bloatware because it has skins, and IRC cl

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Shaul Karl wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001, Chen Shapira wrote about "RE: USB modem Linux driver": > > > BTW, what's so bad about bloatware? Diskspace is pretty cheap these days. > > > And I'd rather have that programmer at hp be

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-21 Thread Shaul Karl
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2001, Chen Shapira wrote about "RE: USB modem Linux driver": > > BTW, what's so bad about bloatware? Diskspace is pretty cheap these days. > > And I'd rather have that programmer at hp be working on new features, > > plucking out bugs, or

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
"Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > XEmacs (or Emacs) is a half way to being bloatware. Most of the disk-space > it uses is packages that can be loaded when needed on runtime, so it doesn't > have to start slowly or use up tons of memory when it runs. But in reality, > when you use a doz

RE: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread guy keren
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Chen Shapira wrote: > Almost all Java applications are elephants. > Jbuilder is the worse of them. Its huge, it sucks up 200M of memory, it has > more memory leaks than my lisp code has parenthesis. > But its the best Java IDE I know (well almost). The only one that debugs J

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I believe the whole argument is pointless, since the mentioned pieces of > software compete for totally different types of users. I really don't > think that a mid-aged lady who wants to print out a birthday greeting > would find much use in vi, or e

RE: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Chen Shapira
> Sure, the borders aren't as clear as they used to be with all > those KDE's > and GNOMEs floating around and with the big money coming into > this niche > to market software and make it more "dumb user friendly" .. > But still, I believe that comparison can be made simply from > a subjectiv

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread milesteg
I believe the whole argument is pointless, since the mentioned pieces of software compete for totally different types of users. I really don't think that a mid-aged lady who wants to print out a birthday greeting would find much use in vi, or ed for that sake .. and so a programmer looking for a

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Ely Levy
, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: USB modem Linux driver": | > comparing notepad and xemacs is not really it. | > compare notepad to knotes 107k | > even if xemacs was a linux program (which is not) | > you might as well compare word to ed(74k:) | | Continuing my series

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: USB modem Linux driver": > comparing notepad and xemacs is not really it. > compare notepad to knotes 107k > even if xemacs was a linux program (which is not) > you might as well compare word to ed(74k:) Continuing my

RE: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Chen Shapira
> Personally I'm not bothered by the disk space usage - I'm > more bothered > by programs that because of their bloatware (for lack of a > better term) > design take forever to run, take a huge amount of memory > while running, > and generally behave like elephants, not agile cheetahs. Its a m

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001, Chen Shapira wrote about "RE: USB modem Linux driver": > BTW, what's so bad about bloatware? Diskspace is pretty cheap these days. > And I'd rather have that programmer at hp be working on new features, > plucking out bugs, or writing neat t

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Ely Levy
ar 20, 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "RE: USB modem Linux |driver": | > | > On 20-Mar-2001 Hetz Ben Hemo wrote: | > | > > (Funny note - the Windows driver is 2.59MB, the Mac driver is 7.54MB and the | > > Linux driver is ... 300k :) | >> | > |

RE: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Chen Shapira
> Another proof that Linux is bloatware: compare the tiny > "notepad" to the > 100 MB (!!) XEmacs... Which reminds me of that programmer who was interviewed in DRDobbs few month ago, claiming that IE5 was bloatware and that he managed to duplicate the important capabilities in only a tiny prece

Re: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "RE: USB modem Linux driver": > > On 20-Mar-2001 Hetz Ben Hemo wrote: > > > (Funny note - the Windows driver is 2.59MB, the Mac driver is 7.54MB and the > > Linux driver is ... 300k :) > > > >

RE: USB modem Linux driver

2001-03-20 Thread solomon
On 20-Mar-2001 Hetz Ben Hemo wrote: > (Funny note - the Windows driver is 2.59MB, the Mac driver is 7.54MB and the > Linux driver is ... 300k :) > Not funny - SAD. But then, what's new about Windows being bloatware :-) //- Shlomo Solomon E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] htt