Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-02 Thread Uri Bruck
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > > So in the U.S. your employer can legaly tap your phone, read your email, > etc, in fact mine does. It's a well stated company policy. Surely you don't mean your home phone. The wage-slavery system can only go so far. -- Thanks, Uri http:/

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-02 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Uri Bruck wrote: > This is a matter of who owns the resources. It's no different than posing > limitations on private phone calls on the office phones, or on company > time. When an employer provides an employee with an email account due to > the fact that this person is an employee, then this

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-02 Thread Uri Bruck
On 2 Sep 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > IANAL, but IIRC US courts have come to a bizarre conclusion that > people do not expect the same level of privacy in their electronic > communications (such as email) as in their conventional communications > (such as regular mail). This is one of the found

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-02 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 12:45, Cedar Cox wrote: > > > > Are we the intended recipient ? > > > > intended recipient is stricly the person who is listed in the "To:" field. > > Then why not send messages > > To: All Humanity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ? I think this covers most who will read the me

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-02 Thread Amir Tal
On Monday 02 September 2002 12:45, Cedar Cox wrote: > > > Are we the intended recipient ? > > > > intended recipient is stricly the person who is listed in the "To:" > > field. > > Then why not send messages > > To: All Humanity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ? I think this covers most who will read the

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-02 Thread Cedar Cox
> > Are we the intended recipient ? > > intended recipient is stricly the person who is listed in the "To:" field. Then why not send messages To: All Humanity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ? I think this covers most who will read the message, through email or however the archives are viewed. ===

RE: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-02 Thread Iftach Hyams
>> Though it's a pretty stiff penalty for Iftach... yes, It is. +--- Please ignore the following Crap: | V This e-mail message has been sent by Elbit Systems Ltd. and is for the use of the intended recipients only. The message may contain privileged or confidential information . If you are

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
"Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > +--- Please ignore the following Crap: I did not. ;-) > [1] If I remember correctly, it was Rebinu Gershom around the year 1000 > who declared it forbidden to read other people's mail without permission. > There's no need to say that on every email a

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 00:29, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Nadav Har'El wrote: > > >[1] If I remember correctly, it was Rebinu Gershom around the year 1000 > >who declared it forbidden to read other people's mail without permission. > > > > > This argument is flawed because of a perhaps unexpected p

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Nadav Har'El wrote: >[1] If I remember correctly, it was Rebinu Gershom around the year 1000 >who declared it forbidden to read other people's mail without permission. > > This argument is flawed because of a perhaps unexpected point Nadav has forgotten. While it is true that Gershom forbade r

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002, Amir Tal wrote about "Re: [OT] Looking for jobs": > bottom line : its not clear, it makes us jumpy - loose it ! or else.. ;) According to my personal archives (oops, I can be sued!) we already asked Iftach a year ago (september 2001) to lose this signature on

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002, Guy Cohen wrote about "Re: [OT] Looking for jobs": > I'm not a lawyer buy im wondering what is their case. Having your > mail server auto-add a message claiming your message is the property > of your boss, and adds a "do not touch" sign, ma

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about "Re: [OT] Looking for jobs": > Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I find it very impolite to have this kind of e-mail sent > > a public mailing list. > > While I agree in principle, it may be out

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Amir Tal
On Sunday 01 September 2002 21:06, Guy Cohen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 08:54:51PM +0300, Ely Levy wrote: > > Those things as a way to come back at you when ignored. > > You don't see the problem now, sure. > > think of it this way the company this guy works for suddenly wants to get > > rid

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Ely Levy
Those things as a way to come back at you when ignored. You don't see the problem now, sure. think of it this way the company this guy works for suddenly wants to get rid of linux-il for whatever reason, what easier way than the sue the hell out of everyone for archiving the message? Ely Levy Sys

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Guy Cohen
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 08:54:51PM +0300, Ely Levy wrote: > Those things as a way to come back at you when ignored. > You don't see the problem now, sure. > think of it this way the company this guy works for suddenly wants to get > rid of linux-il for whatever reason, what easier way than the sue

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Amir Tal
On Sunday 01 September 2002 18:29, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On 1 Sep 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > That can make problems with things like archiving/forwarding e-mails to > > > other people and so on. > > > > > > anyhow to whoever archive this list, Puti

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Amir Tal
On Sunday 01 September 2002 18:35, Guy Cohen wrote: > On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:18:49PM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I find it very impolite to have this kind of e-mail sent > > > a public mailing list. > > > > While I agree in principle, it may be

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Amir Tal
On Sunday 01 September 2002 18:18, you wrote: > Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I find it very impolite to have this kind of e-mail sent > > a public mailing list. > > While I agree in principle, it may be out of control of the sender... then he can get a yahoo\hotmail\ whatever account

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Amir Tal
On Sunday 01 September 2002 19:17, Eliran wrote: > Ely Levy wrote: > >>This e-mail message has been sent by Elbit Systems Ltd. > >>and is for the use of the intended recipients only. > >>The message may contain privileged or confidential information . > >>If you are not the intended recipient you

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Guy Cohen
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:18:49PM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I find it very impolite to have this kind of e-mail sent > > a public mailing list. > > While I agree in principle, it may be out of control of the sender... > > > That can make problem

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On 1 Sep 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > That can make problems with things like archiving/forwarding e-mails to > > other people and so on. > > > > anyhow to whoever archive this list, Puting this mail there might get you > > sued > > Assuming the maili

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I find it very impolite to have this kind of e-mail sent > a public mailing list. While I agree in principle, it may be out of control of the sender... > That can make problems with things like archiving/forwarding e-mails to > other people and so on. > >

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Eliran
Ely Levy wrote: >>This e-mail message has been sent by Elbit Systems Ltd. >>and is for the use of the intended recipients only. >>The message may contain privileged or confidential information . >>If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, >>distribution or copyin

RE: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-09-01 Thread Ely Levy
> This e-mail message has been sent by Elbit Systems Ltd. > and is for the use of the intended recipients only. > The message may contain privileged or confidential information . > If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, > distribution or copying of this communi

RE: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-31 Thread Iftach Hyams
Last comment (but not least) : Why not using HTML format ? Everyone can read it - a browser is installed by default with all the popular O.S. This e-mail message has been sent by Elbit Systems Ltd. and is for the use of the intended recipients only. The message may contain privileged or confiden

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote about "Re: [OT] Looking for jobs": > Anything that you own or have (a job in this case) that you cannot let > go of, isn't really yours - it owns you. I'm not a very good slave. The Well spoken. Though this kind of Buddhist

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread Amir Tal
On Thursday 29 August 2002 12:02, Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote: > Just my 2 agorot: The looking for job/employee notices are certainly on > topic, if its a Linux job you are looking for, or offering. yes they are, CV's "HOWTO's" are not. tal. > > - yba > > Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > >>off list >

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 10:19, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > > One thing that you might want to do - is convert your resume to Word > > > format also, those HR departments love it as .doc and not as .pdf ;) > > > > and thats relevant to the list because? > > > > Because NONE of the HR departments ar

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread Amir Tal
On Thursday 29 August 2002 12:56, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > > off list > > > > this is not an excuse. > > > > many off topics run on this list and i personaly thinks that most of them > > are very intresting and helping the linux community. > > we can argue about this forever. > some "OT's" are rel

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread Amir Tal
On Thursday 29 August 2002 13:19, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > > One thing that you might want to do - is convert your resume to Word > > > format also, those HR departments love it as .doc and not as .pdf ;) > > > > and thats relevant to the list because? > > Because NONE of the HR departments ar

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
> > One thing that you might want to do - is convert your resume to Word > > format also, those HR departments love it as .doc and not as .pdf ;) > > and thats relevant to the list because? > Because NONE of the HR departments are accepting PDF! and if someone wants to find a job, he better

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread Jonathan Ben-Avraham
Just my 2 agorot: The looking for job/employee notices are certainly on topic, if its a Linux job you are looking for, or offering. - yba Ben-Nes Michael wrote: >>off list >> >>this is not an excuse. >> >>many off topics run on this list and i personaly thinks that most of them >>are very in

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
> off list > > this is not an excuse. > > many off topics run on this list and i personaly thinks that most of them > are very intresting and helping the linux community. we can argue about this forever. some "OT's" are relevant, some dont. i dont see any connection between a CV format and someth

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread LS
Actually he has a point. Consider who's receiving CVs nowadays. It's quite possible an entire office doesn't have Acrobat Reader installed, or at least most of them don't have it.. Just a thought tho Eli PS. On a personal note, I doubt you'll have trouble finding a job with what you know, so do

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-29 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
This is Relevant as such tips help Linux people to advance and by advancing they take linux step by step to recognation > One thing that you might want to do - is convert your resume to Word format > also, those HR departments love it as .doc and not as .pdf ;) and thats relevant to the list bec

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-28 Thread Amir Tal
On Wednesday 28 August 2002 20:57, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Gilad, > > as much as I "know" you - you'll find a job pretty quicly (although > salleries are pretty low right now - a good kernel programmer gets about > 15-18k nis bruto) > > One thing that you might want to do - is convert your resume t

Re: [OT] Looking for jobs

2002-08-28 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Gilad, as much as I "know" you - you'll find a job pretty quicly (although salleries are pretty low right now - a good kernel programmer gets about 15-18k nis bruto) One thing that you might want to do - is convert your resume to Word format also, those HR departments love it as .doc and not