Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Monday 07 November 2005 13:18, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: > On ב', 2005-11-07 at 11:49 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Check: > > > > http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html > > > > for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. > > > > Please sign it, and help spread

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Monday 07 November 2005 12:38, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 11:49:51AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Check: > > > > http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html > > > > for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. > > > > Please sign it, and hel

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Gilboa Davara
I'm not saying that nVidia is perfect. Far from it. I am saying that we should try to get the get a better closed source driver with a bigger open source glue, so you can use attach the GF256 capable 4 year old driver working with a newer kernel, simply by modifying the open-source part of the driv

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 04:07:13PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > In short, in my view, hopefully someone, somehow will find a way in- > between * without starting yet another holly war (against nVidia) which > we have no hope to win. (It's much easier for them to stop supporting > Linux/BSD comple

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 15:12 +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 02:52:43PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > > Before we go into an all out war, may I suggest what I suggested to the > > said nVidia dev? > > Open -all- the generic code (AKA kernel interfaces, etc) creating a > >

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 02:52:43PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > Before we go into an all out war, may I suggest what I suggested to the > said nVidia dev? > Open -all- the generic code (AKA kernel interfaces, etc) creating a > fully open driver and push all the NDA'ed stuff into a closed source >

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Gilboa Davara
Before we go into an all out war, may I suggest what I suggested to the said nVidia dev? Open -all- the generic code (AKA kernel interfaces, etc) creating a fully open driver and push all the NDA'ed stuff into a closed source pluggable module. (Which they already have - the nVidia libGL library) If

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Monday 07 November 2005 12:40, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:19:46PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > With a little bit of luck, the FOSS community may persuade nVidia to > > release bigger chunks of their driver. (Currently only a small part of > > the drivers, the kernel "

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 01:20:56PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > I understand your point. > But as it stands, I rather have half open driver that works and gives me > Windows-like OpenGL performance then have a fully-open driver that > doesn't support acceleration (nv) or worse, nothing at all. T

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On ב', 2005-11-07 at 11:49 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Check: > > http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html > > for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. > > Please sign it, and help spread the word. This puts it better than plain words: http://www.penny-arcade

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Gilboa Davara
I understand your point. But as it stands, I rather have half open driver that works and gives me Windows-like OpenGL performance then have a fully-open driver that doesn't support acceleration (nv) or worse, nothing at all. Gilboa On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 12:40 +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Mo

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 11:49:51AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Check: > > http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html > > for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. > > Please sign it, and help spread the word. How many people read it and commented before spreadin

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:19:46PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: > With a little bit of luck, the FOSS community may persuade nVidia to > release bigger chunks of their driver. (Currently only a small part of > the drivers, the kernel "glue" is semi-open and can be modified) Not intending to start

Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Gilboa Davara
nVidia already contributes to the open source nv driver. A couple of months ago I spoke to the lead nVidia Linux driver developer about opening their driver, and he claims that even if nVidia wanted to, it is bound by a number of NDAs that prevents it from releasing a full open source driver. With

Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers

2005-11-07 Thread Shlomi Fish
Check: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. Please sign it, and help spread the word. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PRO