Open hardware (was: Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone)

Shachar Shemesh wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: Openmoko has departed the cellphone business and no longer makes the FreeRunner, although you can buy them and there is still very large community support. Quoth the man who has worked for them and have been burned... :-( Thanks. I have no har

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

Michael Shiloh wrote: Openmoko has departed the cellphone business and no longer makes the FreeRunner, although you can buy them and there is still very large community support. Quoth the man who has worked for them and have been burned... :-( Actually, that fact matters very little, if you th

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

Openmoko has departed the cellphone business and no longer makes the FreeRunner, although you can buy them and there is still very large community support. Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, Four months later... Responding to myself :) On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 13:05, Arie Skliarouk

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

Hi, It should not matter much as I am not going to use the internet much because >> of the outrageous cellular internet prices that are in use in Israel. It is >> somewhat an advantage, as you can't break the internet limit easily. >> > > Does cell-com still have their 130 NIS a month (including p

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Hi, Four months later... Responding to myself :) On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 13:05, Arie Skliarouk wrote: > For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux > and GPS. > > Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is > dying for several reasons:

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On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 03:05:24PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Bad example. Psystar was built on selling computers with stolen copies > > of MacOS. According to the EULA (which was enforcable in the US), you > > can only use it on a real Apple Mac. > > > > "stolen"? How were they stolen? Did Ps

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On Monday 01 June 2009 00:50:47 geoffrey mendelson wrote: > On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:29 AM, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: > >> There was a company who made a lot of noise around providing "MAC > >> compatibles" recently. They finally wen bankrupt a while ago. > >> > >> > >> http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archi

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On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:29 AM, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: There was a company who made a lot of noise around providing "MAC compatibles" recently. They finally wen bankrupt a while ago. http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/05/mac_clone_maker_psystar_goes_bankrupt.html Bad example. Psystar

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2009/5/31 Tzafrir Cohen : > But it means that the setup voids your warantee. And if you happen to > brick your new toy along the way? you get a nice small paperwieght for > your desktop. > > That's something to factor in the price. True. > Now, think about somebody who wants to provide a product

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On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:38:23AM +0300, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: > 2009/5/29 Lionel Elie Mamane > > > >   - That you can get root access on a G1 is an accident in history, not > >   by design. > > An accident which tends to occur over and over again. > (see link in my previous message) But it me

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2009/5/29 Lionel Elie Mamane > >   - That you can get root access on a G1 is an accident in history, not >   by design. An accident which tends to occur over and over again. (see link in my previous message) > >   - The shipped applications have a very closed mindset: upload all >   your data to

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:05:27PM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote: > For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with > Linux and GPS. > Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it > is dying (...) > This makes me look into direction of Android G1. Note

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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Nadav Har'El wrote: > Take a look at Palm. 10 years it was the most popular PDA platform, and > was continuously becoming even more so. So thousands of applications were > developed for it - many free and many not. Palm did not have any DRM of > the type Apple for

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On Tue, May 26, 2009, Arie Skliarouk wrote about "Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone": > Yes, I want a free platform. > I did not meant to say that lack of DRM is an disadvantage (actually I think > the opposite). I just said that lack of DRM is one of the reason why > p

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Be careful how you phrase your messages, in some parts of the world "to root" means "to bury", in others it means "to f***" :) -Amos On 5/27/09, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: > 2009/5/26 Arie Skliarouk > >> This makes me look into direction of Android G1. > > > http://www.zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid

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2009/5/26 Arie Skliarouk > This makes me look into direction of Android G1. http://www.zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=728197 Since it's arrival to Europe, several stores in zap started shipping the G2 (HTC Magic) which supposed to be exactly the same as G1 but with no keyboard and sexier look. I

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Shay Ohayon wrote: There is also a talk given by Gilad Ben-Yoseff (anyone know if the slides of the presentation are available somewhere?) and the documentation for development is pretty good. Slides and video of the lecture (thanbks to Yael Vaya and Crictor) are here: http://tuxology.net/le

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

On Tue, 26 May 2009, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying for several reasons: * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues * It h

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Hi, > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:05:27PM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote: >> Hi, >> >> For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with >> Linux and GPS. >> >> Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it >> is dying for several reasons: >> * their's latest

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

(As you used the word GNU in the subject line) On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:05:27PM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote: > Hi, > > For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with > Linux and GPS. > > Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it > is dying for s

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I have a T-Mobie G1 (bought in the states) and am pretty happy with it. It is pure Linux in its core, has an SDK for application development and the whole source is available (http://source.android.com/). I am not too interested on GPS applications or navigation but it has a pretty good GPS (tough

Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

Hi, For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying for several reasons: * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues * It has weak connectivity (GPRS) * There is no q