RE: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-17 Thread Aviram Jenik
> > And sometimes, as I suspect was the intent of the original > poster, you > just want to be able to check various stuff against a Solaris sparc > machine. It doesn't have to be the latest, but it has to be a > sparc, and > it has to run solaris. > > Shachar > Shachar i

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-17 Thread Eli Marmor
Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > Just wonder, will old UNIX ( for example the UltraSparcs ) will give better > performance then new P4/AMD ? > Does Linux support such hardware well ? Somebody looked for used UNIXes, somebody else directed him to eBay, I noted that it is not really relevant for Israelis

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-17 Thread Sagi Bashari
From: "Hetz Ben Hamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Allow me to tell you this - this "3 years warranty" note is a damn lie, and > I'm being polite here. > > Why? I'll give you an example: > > Here, on my desk I have an Asus A7V board with Athlon 800Mhz chip. Lets say > that the chip will burn as soon a

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-17 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
> Sure old Workstation were better built even from the standing point of > today's Intel Workstation, but on the latter you usually get 3 year > warranty and the power supply does not cost the price of a budget PC. > Eventually even the most superb designed workstation will break and when > you he

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-17 Thread Gal Goldschmidt
> And sometimes, as I suspect was the intent of the original poster, you > just want to be able to check various stuff against a Solaris sparc > machine. It doesn't have to be the latest, but it has to be a sparc, and > it has to run solaris. I agree. I answered the question of comparing Intel/

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-17 Thread Shachar Shemesh
And sometimes, as I suspect was the intent of the original poster, you just want to be able to check various stuff against a Solaris sparc machine. It doesn't have to be the latest, but it has to be a sparc, and it has to run solaris. Shachar Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-17 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Gal Goldschmidt: > If you plan on using Linux I would strongly reccomend the i386 platform ( > AMD/Intel etc...). What you all, who are talking about performance, miss (or, perhaps, do not understand) is that it is rarely for fun does one want an (ex-)workstation or an (ex-)server. There

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-17 Thread Gal Goldschmidt
Hi, > Just wonder, will old UNIX ( for example the UltraSparcs ) will give better > performance then new P4/AMD ? > Does Linux support such hardware well ? As a rule of a thumb, from a pure performance point of view, a one year old Workstation ( originally $15K+ worth) will roughly have a perfo

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-16 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
Hi, On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 03:46:24PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > > > > > I personally have an old SGI Indy, that I got for almost free, and I only > > use as an XTerminal (for the 300Mhz Celeron "server"). It has a 133Mhz > > R4600, with speed

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-16 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 11:45:48AM +0300, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > > > I know one thing for sure. > > > > ATA 100 added to my system at least 20% speed, and it shows on the > > benchmarks. > > > > I had problem with my ATA100 so i connected the HD to t

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-16 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 10:38:29AM +0200, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > Well, it seems that there is no reason to buy old unix unless you want it > for experience. Mostly, yes. But if you get it for _very_ small price (or free), and with a good monitor, it will at least make a good XTerminal. > > Ju

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-16 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > > I personally have an old SGI Indy, that I got for almost free, and I only > use as an XTerminal (for the 300Mhz Celeron "server"). It has a 133Mhz > R4600, with speed comparable to a 100Mhz Pentium, but is quite good > as an XTerminal (with a qui

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-16 Thread Oded Arbel
Ben-Nes Michael wrote: >Well, for desktop there is no question for me. I buy AMD. >But server is another thing, Does anyone recall problems with AMD as servers >? Heat ? > > > >>Been running AMD for the last year, my brother since 1997 and friends >>have newer AMDs (ThunderBirds and and Palomin

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-16 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
> > I know one thing for sure. > > > > ATA 100 added to my system at least 20% speed, and it shows on the > > benchmarks. > > > > I had problem with my ATA100 so i connected the HD to the ATA66 ide and i > > noticed huge decrease in the performance on WIN98. > > Which ATA66 controller did you use?

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-16 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > I know one thing for sure. > > ATA 100 added to my system at least 20% speed, and it shows on the > benchmarks. > > I had problem with my ATA100 so i connected the HD to the ATA66 ide and i > noticed huge decrease in the performance on WIN98. Which

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-16 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
I know one thing for sure. ATA 100 added to my system at least 20% speed, and it shows on the benchmarks. I had problem with my ATA100 so i connected the HD to the ATA66 ide and i noticed huge decrease in the performance on WIN98. > Here you are correct, except that ATA133 is nothing but a mark

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-16 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
Well, for desktop there is no question for me. I buy AMD. But server is another thing, Does anyone recall problems with AMD as servers ? Heat ? > Been running AMD for the last year, my brother since 1997 and friends > have newer AMDs (ThunderBirds and and Palominos) - none had experienced > any s

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-15 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
Hi, On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 10:23:38PM +0300, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > I've seen S.u.s.e Linux runs nicely on an UltraSparc (I think it was 5 or > > 10). It was pretty fast, but I did not benchmark it against a Pentium. > > Yeah, me too, although I still got problems configuring the X server the

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-15 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
Hi, On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:26:22PM +0300, Oded Arbel wrote: > Shlomi Fish wrote: > > >On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > > > > > > > >>Just wonder, will old UNIX ( for example the UltraSparcs ) will give better > >>performance then new P4/AMD ? > >>Does Linux support such hardwa

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-15 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
> I've seen S.u.s.e Linux runs nicely on an UltraSparc (I think it was 5 or > 10). It was pretty fast, but I did not benchmark it against a Pentium. Yeah, me too, although I still got problems configuring the X server there (some sort of NCR variant of ATI card) - works really nice. There's some

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-15 Thread Oded Arbel
Shlomi Fish wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Just wonder, will old UNIX ( for example the UltraSparcs ) will give better performance then new P4/AMD ? Does Linux support such hardware well ? I've seen S.u.s.e Linux runs nicely on an UltraSparc (I thin

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-15 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > Just wonder, will old UNIX ( for example the UltraSparcs ) will give better > performance then new P4/AMD ? > Does Linux support such hardware well ? > I've seen S.u.s.e Linux runs nicely on an UltraSparc (I think it was 5 or 10). It was pretty fast,

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-15 Thread Haggai
No. Testing 400MHZ Sparc CPU against P3 500MHz, it came to be deppended on the complition (cc, gcc). My application was about twice!!! faster on the Linux. Haggai. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Just wonder, will old UNIX ( for example the UltraSparcs ) will give better > performance then new P4/AMD ? >

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-15 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
On Thursday 15 August 2002 16:20, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > Just wonder, will old UNIX ( for example the UltraSparcs ) will give better > > erformance then new P4/AMD ? depends which performance you're looking for; I/O - Ultra Sparc will be much better compiling stuff and anything related to cpu

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-15 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
Just wonder, will old UNIX ( for example the UltraSparcs ) will give better performance then new P4/AMD ? Does Linux support such hardware well ? > Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > > Aviram, > > > > I would strongly suggest that your company will buy through eBay - TONS of > > hardware at unbelivable low

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-15 Thread Eli Marmor
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Aviram, > > I would strongly suggest that your company will buy through eBay - TONS of > hardware at unbelivable low prices. I would love to do it myself. *IF* it was practical. Unfortunately, it is not practical to buy a UNIX workstation from an unknown and foreign own

Re: OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-14 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Aviram, I would strongly suggest that your company will buy through eBay - TONS of hardware at unbelivable low prices. Hetz On Wednesday 14 August 2002 19:54, Aviram Jenik wrote: > Hi, > > We're looking to buy old UNIX servers: > AIX, HPUX and Solaris. It can be an old piece of junk, but it mu

OT: Looking for old UNIXes

2002-08-14 Thread Aviram Jenik
Hi, We're looking to buy old UNIX servers: AIX, HPUX and Solaris. It can be an old piece of junk, but it must: A. Work (i.e. boot into a working shell) B. Come complete with all necessary hardware, software licenses, etc C. Have TCP/IP networking capabilities (i.e. operational network card and dr