RE: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Tal, Shachar
12:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi) Hey all, and happy-new-year! I have a network that includes 7 computers, a gateway/firewall, and 6 clients (Mixed Windows and Linux boxes). My gateway uses ADSL to connect to the internet (with an ethernet

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ariel Biener wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I'm sorry, but apparently you are ill informed. Spammers do, as a matter of day to day matter, exploit Wifi to send anonymous email. The phenomena is mostly documented in the US at the moment, but you can never tell when it will m

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Ariel Biener
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > I'm sorry, but apparently you are ill informed. Spammers do, as a matter > of day to day matter, exploit Wifi to send anonymous email. The > phenomena is mostly documented in the US at the moment, but you can > never tell when it will make aliya. Expl

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Ariel Biener
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Key exchange? What key exchange? If WEP had key exchange, it wouldn't be > so #$(%&!$! broken. Well, maybe it would, who knows? In any case, WEP > has no key exchange, which is part of the problem. Buy Cisco. Don't use WEP. -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ariel Biener wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: How would that stop a spammer parked outside your house from sending spam? You are going to unneeded and plain useless extremes. Spammers will not travel around in cars with wireless detectors to send spam from their laptop v

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ariel Biener wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi, This is eactly the reason why I answered `depends on the implementation'. There are a few ways to implement a wireless network, and there is a set of reasonable requirements for security @home, this set is different than the

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Ariel Biener
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > How would that stop a spammer parked outside your house from sending spam? You are going to unneeded and plain useless extremes. Spammers will not travel around in cars with wireless detectors to send spam from their laptop via the poor man's unsecure

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Ariel Biener
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi, This is eactly the reason why I answered `depends on the implementation'. There are a few ways to implement a wireless network, and there is a set of reasonable requirements for security @home, this set is different than the requirements on

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Shachar Shemesh wrote: > How would that stop a spammer parked outside your house from sending spam? oops, I forgot to mention that the DHCP server would be set to only provide IP addresses to a known MAC address and the SMTP server would only allow incoming connections from the VPN. This also

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: It can be secure. All you have to do is install an IPSec VPN on all machines participating in the network, and not let anyone who is not VPN authenticated get to either your internal network *or the internet*! I am looking into the same

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Shachar Shemesh wrote: > It can be secure. All you have to do is install an IPSec VPN on all > machines participating in the network, and not let anyone who is not VPN > authenticated get to either your internal network *or the internet*! I am looking into the same thing as I have a guest commin

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oded Arbel wrote: Assuming we are talking about WiFi here ... I'm told its quite secure once you get it turned on. That depends on how secure you want to get. WEP (Wire Equivalent Privacy) is "quite secure" in the sense that it takes several minutes to crack. This applies to the 56bit as

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-28 Thread Oded Arbel
On Sunday 28 September 2003 08:40, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Ariel Biener wrote: > >On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani wrote: > >>4. is it secure? > > > >Depends on how you implement it. > > I think this needs clarification: > It can be secure. All you have to do is install an IPSec VPN

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-27 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ariel Biener wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani wrote: 4. is it secure? Depends on how you implement it. I think this needs clarification: It can be secure. All you have to do is install an IPSec VPN on all machines participating in the network, and not let anyone who

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-27 Thread Ariel Biener
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Shaul Karl wrote: > Doesn't 1000 based ethernet uses fiber optic? It can also use Fibre Optic, but so can 100Mbit and 10Mbit (called 100FX for 100Mbit for example). The fibre optic option allows for a much better range (distance, length). --Ariel > > -- > > Shaul Karl,

Ooops, mm, not cm in Re: [OT] Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-27 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 11:48:09AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: > 2.3. 40 cm long drills with 8, 10 or 12 cm diameter. Ooops, 8, 10 or 12 mm, not cm. -- Shaul Karl,shaulk @ actcom . net . il = To unsubscribe, send mail to

[OT] Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-27 Thread Shaul Karl
I have added the off topic notation to the Subject line because I believe that some people would consider *my* reply as such. On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 12:11:39AM +0300, Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani wrote: > > We are about to virtually re-construct our home, and I would like to do the > networking th

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-27 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
"Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > a. putting the modem and the hub in the place the phone line gets into the > house and split. This way I can put the RJ45's alongside the telephone lines, > in the same pipe. > I'll bring two cables to my gateway's room (one for modem and on

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-27 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 01:25:47AM +0300, Ariel Biener wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani wrote: > > This is a good option (for now). It will allow you, if you use cat5e or > cat6 wires to use 10/100/1000 based ethernet. > Doesn't 1000 based ethernet uses fiber optic? --

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-26 Thread mnna4
very good solution if you have a good wiring around the house. - Original Message - From: "Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:11 AM Subject: Networking my new home (or RJ45's v

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-26 Thread Maxim K.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani wrote: > Hey all, and happy-new-year! > > I have a network that includes 7 computers, a gateway/firewall, and 6 clients > (Mixed Windows and Linux boxes). > > My gateway uses ADSL to connect to the internet (with an ethernet modem). > > We are about to v

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-26 Thread John Rabkin
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 12:11:39AM +0300, Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani wrote: > Hey all, and happy-new-year! > > I have a network that includes 7 computers, a gateway/firewall, and 6 clients > (Mixed Windows and Linux boxes). > > My gateway uses ADSL to connect to the internet (with an ethernet modem)

Re: Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-26 Thread Ariel Biener
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani wrote: > a. putting the modem and the hub in the place the phone line gets into the > house and split. This way I can put the RJ45's alongside the telephone lines, > in the same pipe. > I'll bring two cables to my gateway's room (one for modem and one fo

Networking my new home (or RJ45's vs. WiFi)

2003-09-26 Thread Itay 'z9u2K' Duvdevani
Hey all, and happy-new-year! I have a network that includes 7 computers, a gateway/firewall, and 6 clients (Mixed Windows and Linux boxes). My gateway uses ADSL to connect to the internet (with an ethernet modem). We are about to virtually re-construct our home, and I would like to do the netw