Hi Adam,
See inlines below.
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Adam Morrison wrote:
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 12:05:21PM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
The average NIS58/hour + socials (which translates to NIS 81 total with
socials factored in) is very low, also. Ouch. Poor samins.
:-) I beg you to reconsider.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 12:05:21PM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> >The average NIS58/hour + socials (which translates to NIS 81 total with
> >socials factored in) is very low, also. Ouch. Poor samins.
> >
> >:-) I beg you to reconsider... Well... I know, I know. I saw worse,
> >actually, bu
Hi Geoffrey,
For NIS per month multiply by 185 to get the full-time monthly bruto rate.
Full-time means about 45 hours per week. The rates I quoted do not include
taxes. They assume that the employer is paying 7.5%/2.5% keren hishtalmut,
16 days of vacation per year on top of normal holidays, min
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 11:30:06AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> Hi Marc,
> Full-time Sys admins cost from NIS 40 without car/telephone to NIS 80 with
> car/telephone per hour. There is precious little relation between the
> quality of the employee and what you pay. I'd say that the averag
Hi Marc,
See inlines below.
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, Marc A. Volovic wrote:
Thanks for the answer, Jonathan.
Truth be told, the figures you quote seem horridly low. NIS40? The poor samin
is getting (assuming something close to a full time position) sub
NIS8k/month.
Is this not starvation level?
That d
Thanks for the answer, Jonathan.
Truth be told, the figures you quote seem horridly low. NIS40? The poor
samin
is getting (assuming something close to a full time position) sub
NIS8k/month.
Is this not starvation level?
The average NIS58/hour + socials (which translates to NIS 81 total with
soc
Hi Marc,
Full-time Sys admins cost from NIS 40 without car/telephone to NIS 80 with
car/telephone per hour. There is precious little relation between the
quality of the employee and what you pay. I'd say that the average Linux
sys admin with three to four years of experience gets NIS 58 per hour
VK wrote:
As a long-term [~ 9 years] IGLU maillist watcher I'd like to say "Kudos" to all participants!
This time we see a mature, in-depth and fruitful discussion.
Raather ;-).
But most people did come around in the end, did they not.
In any case, what DOES a System Admin cost these days?
I
As a long-term [~ 9 years] IGLU maillist watcher I'd like to say "Kudos" to all
participants!
This time we see a mature, in-depth and fruitful discussion.
Rgds,
Vitaly
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Quoting Shachar Shemesh, from the post of Sat, 26 Feb:
> While I have never had to sign secrecy over my own salary, I don't
are you sure? I think it's a standard thing in modern personal
employment agreements.
> remember a single place I worked for where this information was
> discussed eithe
guy keren wrote:
looking at this with an opsimist(!) angle:
1. indeed, salary surveys do not make full sense. they usually cover
entry-level and up to 5 years of experience (look at the various web
sites). they are also not done in a statistical-meaningfull manner (none
of them reveals the number o
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
It would also help if the person who did the original posting, amplified
it. They don't have to name the company, but not doing so often implies
they are a "headhunter" and not a real company with a real job.
Geoff.
No problems. So just to clarify: the posting was fo
looking at this with an opsimist(!) angle:
1. indeed, salary surveys do not make full sense. they usually cover
entry-level and up to 5 years of experience (look at the various web
sites). they are also not done in a statistical-meaningfull manner (none
of them reveals the number of samples took,
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 09:52:15AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> This message was trimmed mercilessly to highlight the main point I tried
> to convey in my previous message.
As well it should. It's gathered more activity than this list has had in
a long time. :-)
I appologize for any misunders
Yes, You are right and I want to
apologize.
I didn't mean what I said.
I just wanted to say to Goeff that insulting low
level salary sysadmin is wrong. Every job has some kind of
respect.
Listening to his words insulted me.
But again. Geoff I am sorry for what I
said.
I wish you
ishai tal wrote:
> also would be unlikely to apply for the job as the last company I
worked
> for who was cheap on sysadmins was also cheap on software licenses and
> thought that it was ok for their most important developers to have
three
> year old machines. But to be fair, they did have good m
This message was trimmed mercilessly to highlight the main point I tried
to convey in my previous message.
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:22:29PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Still, I believe a bit more
caution when passing judgment may have been in order.
Yes,
Children, children. enough with ad homini.
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On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 02:05 +0200, $%&*^$*$^ wrote:
> Tell the world that you were kicked out after !@(&*!([EMAIL PROTECTED]
> months...
Let's put immediate stop to the smear campaign.
If the campaign continues to run any more time, we'll be left wondering
why our sources of jobs and projects s
On Friday 25 February 2005 00:22, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
> I also have 34 years as a systems programmer, applications developer,
> independent consultant, etc. I was maintaning operating systems,
> providing customer support, etc long before you were born.
Low blow, pulling rank is the call
> also would be unlikely to
apply for the job as the last company I worked > for who was cheap on
sysadmins was also cheap on software licenses and > thought that it was
ok for their most important developers to have three > year old machines.
But to be fair, they did have good munchies in t
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 09:22:29PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Geoffrey, having some general idea on what the post in question is
> about, I think you are dead wrong. In a way, it's Sivan's "fault", as he
> keeps the entity behind the position secret. Still, I believe a bit more
> caution wh
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 11:45:23PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Listen, Geoff. I didn't notice Sivan mentioning the amount of sysadmins
> on the team. From my knowledge, which is quite substantiated as you know,
> the case is definetly not the one you stated above. Now, with all due respect
Quoting "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Is this for one person to run the whole shop or one of a team of 3 or
> 4? 100 Linux machines is an awfully lot for one person to run unless
> there they are identical and there is NO user support.
They are identical except a few servers. Use
Quoting Shachar Shemesh, from the post of Thu, 24 Feb:
> 3. Most importantly, why the frontal attack? Especially since when you
> and I met professionally, a signed NDA was the very first thing you
> wanted. There is a proverb in Hebrew which I suspect is relevant here:
> "הפוסל במומו פוסל". I h
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
(posted to list)
Yes, it was.
Geoffrey, having some general idea on what the post in question is
about, I think you are dead wrong. In a way, it's Sivan's "fault", as he
keeps the entity behind the position secret. Still, I believe a bit more
caution when passing
(posted to list)
On Thu, Feb 24, 2005 at 06:48:43PM +0200, Sivan Toledo wrote:
> I am looking for system engineer for a site with about 100 Linux
> machines, both workstations and servers.
Is this for one person to run the whole shop or one of a team of 3 or
4? 100 Linux machines is an awfully
Hi,
I am looking for system engineer for a site with about 100 Linux
machines, both workstations and servers.
I am looking for a person with strong technical skills, several years of
experience (preferably in both system administration and development),
and the ability to communicate with users
Hi,
I am looking for Linux system administrator for a site with about
100 machines, both workstations and servers.
I am looking for a person with strong technical skills, several
years of experience (preferably in both system administration and
development), and the ability to communicate with
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