Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-19 Thread Shachar Shemesh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oron Peled wrote: Now you reach something more interesting. At least on RedHat the zoneinfo directory is part of the glibc-common RPM. Someone (Amos?) sugested Nah, I opposed this idea for similar reasons to yours. The solution is simple -- distros should have the zon

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-18 Thread linux-il
Oron Peled wrote: Now you reach something more interesting. At least on RedHat the zoneinfo directory is part of the glibc-common RPM. Someone (Amos?) sugested Nah, I opposed this idea for similar reasons to yours. The solution is simple -- distros should have the zoneinfo data as a separate pack

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-18 Thread Oron Peled
On Thursday 18 March 2004 11:25, Yonah Russ wrote: > ... Let's try to make the script > to run these updates part of standard distributions, part of the same > rpm that distributes the TZ files in the first place maybe. Let it add a > couple cronjobs/year which check: am I set to Israeli time, i

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-18 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], from the post of Thu, 18 Mar: > > It's pretty transparent for Debian users - I never had to deal with this > on my Debian - > the system is just up to date with no "Israel specific" tweaking. I have opened bugs twice about DST starting or ending on the wrong times. the

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-18 Thread Oded Arbel
ביום חמישי 18 מרץ 2004, 13:20, נכתב על ידי [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Oded Arbel wrote: > > You'll have major problems with that, especially the part where you > > assume > > > >that everyone is connected to the internet all the time. > > You can enable/disable this, or you can do some clever tricks with

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-18 Thread linux-il
Oded Arbel wrote: You'll have major problems with that, especially the part where you assume that everyone is connected to the internet all the time. You can enable/disable this, or you can do some clever tricks with if-up/if-down. The fact is that I don't find it necessary at all - just ke

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-18 Thread linux-il
Yonah Russ wrote: Ok- mercy- I give up ntp. The point I was trying to make is that we all should get together and do it the same way. Let's try to make the script to run these updates part of standard distributions, part of the same rpm that distributes the TZ files in the first place maybe. L

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-18 Thread Oded Arbel
ביום חמישי 18 מרץ 2004, 11:25, נכתב על ידי Yonah Russ: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I understand this completly (I've been through this myself when I > > admin'ed at HUJI CS), and you are certainly right with your concernes. > > I just think you are looking at the wrong direction. > > Existing to

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-18 Thread Yonah Russ
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand this completly (I've been through this myself when I admin'ed at HUJI CS), and you are certainly right with your concernes. I just think you are looking at the wrong direction. Existing tools will help you do a "pull" protocol (cron+ftp, for instance, BTW -

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-17 Thread linux-il
Yonah Russ wrote: I didn't mean in anyway that ntp itself was appropriate but that a patched version of ntp might include another type of service which might You mean a patched version of the NTP server? As far as I know ntp.ac.il is a Cisco router or somesuch. I don't see the point of patching N

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-17 Thread Yonah Russ
I didn't mean in anyway that ntp itself was appropriate but that a patched version of ntp might include another type of service which might allow pushing the full timezone file through the ntp infrastructure once (preferably when the times are decided each year) All this would require is that s

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-17 Thread linux-il
Yonah Russ wrote: I meant to solve the problem of israeli summer time in a way that we shouldn't have to update every individual station every year but rather that one computer be updated and let the update propogate automatically throughout israel. perhaps we could piggy back the timezone se

Re: Israeli summer time - Was Re: Runtime changing of timezones

2004-03-17 Thread Ehud Karni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:41:51 +0200, Yonah Russ wrote: > > perhaps we could piggy back the timezone settings on the existing ntp > infrastructure so that ntp.ac.il would propogate the correct timezone > information to all the stations downstream Even

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-17 Thread Yonah Russ
I meant to solve the problem of israeli summer time in a way that we shouldn't have to update every individual station every year but rather that one computer be updated and let the update propogate automatically throughout israel. perhaps we could piggy back the timezone settings on the exist

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-17 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Mar 17, 2004, Yonah Russ wrote about "Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"": > With such a huge community of techies, why can't we come up with a way > to make this easier for all of us- or maybe someone has? It *is* easy. For ex

Re: Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-16 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Yonah Russ wrote: With such a huge community of techies, why can't we come up with a way to make this easier for all of us- or maybe someone has? yonah It's awfully easy, assuming you are not trying something irrelevant. If all you want is to get daylight saving at the apropriate time, you do

Israeli summer time - Was "Re: Runtime changing of timezones"

2004-03-16 Thread Yonah Russ
With such a huge community of techies, why can't we come up with a way to make this easier for all of us- or maybe someone has? yonah guy keren wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Nachum Kanovsky wrote: If I use tzselect to change my time zone, is there any way to get applications that are already