Re: High Availability

2010-04-15 Thread Etzion Bar-Noy
The answer to the original post is "It's not HA, it's MA, however..." Middle-Availability is not high-availability, of course, but it's a good start. HA is a very nice buzz word. HA should protect you against what? software failure? OS failure? hardware failure? network

Re: High Availability

2010-04-15 Thread Amos Shapira
On 15 April 2010 17:50, guy keren wrote: > > and - test test test. > > many people fail to test their "highly-available" setup, and as a result, > think they are 'highly available" when they are not. Great point! Earlier at my current position we failed to test that the fail-over works on on

Re: High Availability

2010-04-15 Thread guy keren
Marc Volovic wrote: A number of issues: First - what. You need to replicate (a) links, (b) storage, (c) service machines. Links are internal and external. Multipath internet connexions. Multipath LAN connexions. Multipath storage links. Redund network infrastructure (switches, routers, fire

Re: High Availability

2010-04-15 Thread shimi
u should be, if you "go big" and start >> high-availability-ing your stuff - you need to understand what you're doing) >> - I've learned that most of the time, a downtime of a Linux system is due >> to... hardware issues; >> > > > Obviously you h

Re: High Availability

2010-04-14 Thread Marc Volovic
A number of issues: First - what. You need to replicate (a) links, (b) storage, (c) service machines. Links are internal and external. Multipath internet connexions. Multipath LAN connexions. Multipath storage links. Redund network infrastructure (switches, routers, firewalls, IDS/IPS).

Re: High Availability

2010-04-14 Thread Amos Shapira
and redundant shared storage et al. so not even the backplane of the SAN box or the network interface is a SPoF). Putting the front end in a virtual server adds to its isolation from the rest of the system since it is more likely to be the target for an attack, but it won't help high availability

Re: High Availability

2010-04-14 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Apr 15, 2010, at 7:53 AM, shimi wrote: Using Linux more than a decade, I can say that if you're competent enough as a system administrator (which you should be, if you "go big" and start high-availability-ing your stuff - you need to understand what you're doing)

Re: High Availability

2010-04-14 Thread shimi
ighly available or might it be what's some may > call "partially highly available J"? > > > Using Linux more than a decade, I can say that if you're competent enough as a system administrator (which you should be, if you "go big" and start high-availabil

High Availability

2010-04-14 Thread Boaz Yahav(berber)
I guess this is more a theological question. Would you build a web site infrastructure that needs to be highly available using a single machine where the front end servers are virtual servers? Is this even considered highly available or might it be what's some may call "partially highly avail

Re: Linux-HA [Was: High availability virtual ip]

2009-06-26 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/6/24 Oleg Goldshmidt : > 3) Allow me to take the claims of "too steep learning curve" with a > grain of salt. The last time I recall (a year, maybe less, ago) it > took a *competent* person a few hours from "never heard of Linux-HA" > to reading the docs, installing and configuring it, integra

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-26 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/6/24 Michael Tewner : > Hi all - > > If all you want to do is float an IP, Linux-HA will work, but a simpler > solution could be, say, keepalived and vrrpd. Doesn't vrrpd require cooperation from the switch? > > I you would like to also manage cluster resources, Linux-HA is your best > solut

Re: Linux-HA [Was: High availability virtual ip]

2009-06-24 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
2009/6/24 Michael Tewner : > I you would like to also manage cluster resources, Linux-HA is your best > solution. I would agree that it has a steep learning curve, and it's a pain, > but it does exactly what you want, and more. It will handle all of your > cluster resources - We've used it for MyS

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-23 Thread Itay Donenhirsch
Hi Michael, I wonder - what test scenario did you run on Linux-HA? I tried to used it for floating IPs and cluster resources, it gives the illusion that it works ok but when you start testing it a bit more you see catastrophes. I even submitted a few bugs to their team and one response that I got

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-23 Thread Itay Donenhirsch
Well, you can not trust an HA system that either works great or fails bitterly :) Someone told me that it was primarily designed for 1+1 systems, but I don't believe it can do this task as well. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Maxim Veksler wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Itay Donenhirs

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-23 Thread Michael Tewner
Hi all - If all you want to do is float an IP, Linux-HA will work, but a simpler solution could be, say, keepalived and vrrpd. I you would like to also manage cluster resources, Linux-HA is your best solution. I would agree that it has a steep learning curve, and it's a pain, but it does exactly

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-23 Thread Maxim Veksler
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Itay Donenhirsch wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I would recommend not using Linux-HA for any means. I had very bitter > experience with it. It is implemented in a very complicated and hard > to debug and configure. It's also very poorly tested. I first didn't > believe i

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-22 Thread Itay Donenhirsch
Hi Folks, I would recommend not using Linux-HA for any means. I had very bitter experience with it. It is implemented in a very complicated and hard to debug and configure. It's also very poorly tested. I first didn't believe it myself and thought I was doing something wrong, but after some email

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-17 Thread Biran, Yahav (Yahav)
i used fake and it is working very well, thanks all On 6/16/09, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Marc Volovic writes: > >> Hi >> >> First, the problem is not an IP, but the mac-ip mapping and ARP >> caching strategies. >> >> Second, don't use ping. >> >> Third, do use project 'heartbeat' and 'fake'. The

RE: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-17 Thread Biran, Yahav (Yahav)
the problem? yahav From: Alex Shnitman [mailto:alext...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:43 PM To: Biran, Yahav (Yahav); linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: High availability virtual ip Hi, Linux-HA is one solution, as has been

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-17 Thread Alex Shnitman
From: "Biran, Yahav (Yahav)" To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:58:02 PM Subject: High availability virtual ip i have two linux machines, that are running on the same LAN. i would like to find a way to set HA IP. i was thinking on creating virtual ip that

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-16 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Marc Volovic writes: > Hi > > First, the problem is not an IP, but the mac-ip mapping and ARP > caching strategies. > > Second, don't use ping. > > Third, do use project 'heartbeat' and 'fake'. They provide what you > need. Heartbeat is a component of Linux-HA, which is why I pointed to the latt

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-16 Thread Marc Volovic
Hi First, the problem is not an IP, but the mac-ip mapping and ARP caching strategies. Second, don't use ping. Third, do use project 'heartbeat' and 'fake'. They provide what you need. M ---MAV Marc. Volovic +972-54-467-6764 m...@swiftouch.com Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2009, at 6:

Re: High availability virtual ip

2009-06-16 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
2009/6/16 Biran, Yahav (Yahav) : > i have two linux machines, that are running on the same LAN. > i would like to find a way to set HA IP. > i was thinking on creating virtual ip that will ride on the exiting eth. > lets say 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 and the VIP will be 172.16.4.1 > both will run an in

High availability virtual ip

2009-06-16 Thread Biran, Yahav (Yahav)
i have two linux machines, that are running on the same LAN. i would like to find a way to set HA IP. i was thinking on creating virtual ip that will ride on the exiting eth. lets say 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 and the VIP will be 172.16.4.1 both will run an infinite loop of:while (ping 172.16.4.1) do .

[HAIFUX Lecture] High-Availability clusters on Linux and other systems by Guy Keren

2007-06-22 Thread Orr Dunkelman
Next Monday, 25th of June, at 18:30 the Haifa Linux Club, will gather to hear Guy Keren talk about High-Availability clusters on Linux and other systems Abstract: * what are high-availability clusters * how they work * what cluster software is available for linux